Elves vs Dwarves.

The Necrontyr Messenger · Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:32 am

frigidmagi wrote:I thought they could control that?

Bah. Some Netherese archmage he is. He can't even figue out a way to tweak his will bonus up to 17. :P

*Throws up an elf avatar to conceal his living metal shell. Guess which way he voted then*

In any case, yes, they can, though by default, the Blinding Beauty ability is always on.

Post by **Dark Silver** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:37 am

Bah...

Elves have nothing on Dwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrvven Spirits!

LotR aside, Dwarves outdrink a Elf, so thus, they obtain my vote.

The Necrontyr Messenger · Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:00 am

Dark Silver wrote:LotR aside, Dwarves outdrink a Elf, so thus, they obtain my vote.

They cannot do that in LotR AFAIK. *Shakes a fist at Jackson, points to elves falling down drunk in the Hobbit*

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:06 pm

All due respect to Jackson, but I think it's very clear that he's an elf wanker.

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:11 pm

frigidmagi wrote:All due respect to Jackson, but I think it's very clear that he's an elf wanker.

Tolkien is an elf wanker so its not like he's straying from the base material. Yeah, Legolas gets sexed up in the movies, but they are first born are superior in just about every way.

The Morrigan · Post by **The Morrigan** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:39 am

Elves are kind of cool, but I think dwarves would kick their arses in a fight, at least if we're talking about Discworld elves/dwarves: Pussies who rely on glamour and manipulation and are allergic to iron vs unimaginitive bastards with iron armour and fucking big axes.

Elves are still kind of cool though.

Ra · Post by Ra » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:02 am

Well, I know mostly about the Tolkienverse Elves, so...

If Elves were alergic to iron, they couldn't forge the sword of Narsil. Or that armor the Rivendell troops wear on TTT. And if you ever read the Quenta Silmarillion, you'd know that the Elves have a martial tradition that goes back several thousand years before the Dwarves dug their first mine. Elves may be fair and beautiful, but they have no qualms against kicking some ass when need be.
- Ra

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:47 am

He means Discworld elves that are more like fairies- the type that snatch babies and use glamer.

Ra · Post by Ra » Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:04 am

Snatch babies?

In that case, fuck them.
- Ra

Batman · Post by **Batman** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:20 pm

To auote pterry himself, 'Elves are wonderful. The provoke wonder.
Elves are marvelous. They cause marvels.
Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies.
Elves are glamourous. They project glamour.
Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantments.
Elves are terrific. The beget terror.The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.
No-one ever said elves are nice.
Elves are bad.'
They make the Drow look downright philantropic by comparison.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:39 pm

They are'nt evil so much as not having any type of morality, the queen would kidnap a baby and give it only toys and sweets although what a baby really needs is a spanking and work. (Not a quote)

They remmembered that they hunted, nobody remmembers what they hunted, they only remmember that they were beautiful

Batman · Post by **Batman** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:56 pm

Dark lord of the megas wrote:They are'nt evil so much as not having any type of morality

Sounds evil to me all right.

They remmembered that they hunted, nobody remmembers what they hunted, they only remmember that they were beautiful

We only remember that the elves sang. We forgot what it was they were singing about.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:21 pm

Something evil would be malicious, would you Call Cthulthu or Narlothtep evil or Bel-Shameroth (7a

) the soul swallower evil?

They simply dont go by the same evil/good morality scale that we use, the queen didnt mean to harm the baby but she didnt see anything wrong in taking him away from his parents and the consequences for him if he grew up in faerie.
A drow is malicious and wants to harm you, an elve might hunt you but it woulod have you pegged mentally as one step below the unicorn (Just a horse with a horn on the end)

Batman · Post by **Batman** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:46 pm

Dark lord of the megas wrote:Something evil would be malicious, would you Call Cthulthu or Narlothtep evil or Bel-Shameroth (7a ) the soul swallower evil?

Yes?

They simply dont go by the same evil/good morality scale that we use, the queen didnt mean to harm the baby but she didnt see anything wrong in taking him away from his parents and the consequences for him if he grew up in faerie.

You do not have to mean harm to be evil. If you accept doing harm merely to fulfill your personal desires that's enough, at least in my book. No the queen might not have meant to harm the baby but she also didn't give a flying fuck if she did. Worse, she didn't even consider that she could harm the kid. Whatever consequences it had for the kid was quite simply irrelevant for her.

A drow is malicious and wants to harm you, an elve might hunt you but it would have you pegged mentally as one step below the unicorn (Just a horse with a horn on the end)

Which is even worse. The Drow know they're doing harm. They may revel in the fact that they are, but at least they admit they do. The Discworld Elves don't even think about it.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:49 pm

Evil does not require Malice. Evil only requires selfiness. In fact that is all Evil is, not caring about the results of your actions towards others has long has you get what you want.

The Morrigan · Post by **The Morrigan** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:57 am

Ra wrote:If Elves were alergic to iron, they couldn't forge the sword of Narsil. Or that armor the Rivendell troops wear on TTT. And if you ever read the Quenta Silmarillion, you'd know that the Elves have a martial tradition that goes back several thousand years before the Dwarves dug their first mine. Elves may be fair and beautiful, but they have no qualms against kicking some ass when need be.
- Ra

Dark lord of the megas wrote:He means Discworld elves that are more like fairies- the type that snatch babies and use glamer

I was indeed refering specifically to Discworld elves. They are quite different to Tolkein's elves. The Discworld elves are cruel, selfish, ugly creatures who covet the human world and like hurting things just for fun. Their powers lie mostly in glamour and trickery. Their main strength lies in making you believe that they are beautiful and that you are too worthless and weak ever to hope ot beat them. Their main weakness is that they can't stand the touch of iron.

Discworld dwarves bear an at least superficial resemblance to Tolkein's dwarves. They mostly live in mines and are great metalworkers. They have a fondness for iron armour and tend to carry large axes (although in some books Pratchett suggests that chain mail as day-to-day clothing this is mostly an affection of the citified dwarves who inhabit Ankh Morpork). They are also renowned for having no imagination, sense of humour or grasp of metephor and have a tendency, after a couple of drinks, to become extremely violent.

Oh and megas, 'he' is, as it happens, a 'she'.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:12 am

Oh and megas, 'he' is, as it happens, a 'she'.

Sorry queeny

.

batman wrote:snip

Are we humans evil for squishing an ant or raising a pet?
The great old ones / creatures of the far realms are even more above humans as we are above an insect, do you notice when an ant gets squished?

As to the elves you may have a point, as their intent varies but as of the latest disc book with them (The one before "A hat full of sky" with Tiffany Aching) they didnt understand that what they did was bad
A super intelligent tiger is bad for sheep but we sheep even praise the tiger and come to look at it's coat, who cares if a few sheep start to babble or are used as pets?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:55 pm

Baruk khazad! Khazad ai-menu!

One guess which way I voted.

Josh · Post by **Josh** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:40 pm

I'm amazed at how the vote turned out. Elven fandom is so strong, from what I've seen, that I would've expected the pointy-ears to run away with it.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:54 pm

Are you kidding? Dwarves rock the socks.

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:55 pm

Dwarves are tough. Everyone loves tough. Elf wankers are just noisy, so they are more visible.

Comrade Tortoise · Post by **Comrade Tortoise** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:49 pm

I prefer elves personally, even D&D elves I think are superior. Though it really does depend on circumstances...

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:20 pm

Hrm.

On one side...the Dwarf. Damn good meat shield although short and therefore must conpensate for the height variance.

On the other side...the Elf. Prancing flower fairy and yet makes a good stick when there is no other weapon around.

Personally I'm more of a dark elf (Drow) sort. They're just so much more...fun.

...and in that I mean: dark elves are

^_^

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:48 pm

Huntess, the dwarf's lack of height is a plus as meat shield. That means you can cast or shoot over his head while he holds the orcs off.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:15 pm

Not to mention Dwarves are naturals at the Conga line of death!

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