Heroes (spoilers possible)

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:38 pm

Hedgecore wrote:Yeah, they revealed quite a bit of interesting stuff about Mr. Bennet, and the Organization, which was cool.

I always thought Hiro was older, but i guess he's only 25 or so. He looked about 10ish in the flashback, no?

I looked it up. Masi Oka is 32. I suppose we could try to say that Hiro's in his mid-late twenties and/or he just looked a little younger than he really was when he was a kid. Maybe he was a dorky twelve year old and that'd make him 27. After all, people didn't think I reached age 13 until I hit 16. Even now people still often underestimate my age by a few years, thinking I'm a freshman or sophomore when I'm 22. Of course, the analogy fails because if my mom's any indication, I should continue to look younger than my real age. People are almost always off by a decade when guessing her age. But really I have no idea. I'm more bothered by why they were on that same damn rooftop of superpower-ness.

Also on the conspiracy, they're definitely going down the "everybody and everything is connected" road, except for the part where an Indian geneticist and then his geneticist son come barging in.

Post by **B4UTRUST** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:55 pm

$20 says the Indian guy's father worked for the Company somehow, developing this genetic program to find natural metahumans and potential metahumans who hold the possibility of showing powers.

Hedgecore · Post by **Hedgecore** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:27 am

Bah! April 23rd. Why are they doing this to me?

Positives: Mohinder finally figured out that his little traveling partner is *gasp* Sylar! Its about time, I'd say. Didn't Mohinder how totally sketchy he was acting?

Hiro's back in action (woo!).

I'm curious to see just how Mrs. Petrelli fits into the big picture. How much she knows.

Malcolm McDowell is Linderman? Awesome!

Peter vs Sylar. Rematch time. Now that Peter is kind of becoming badass, this should be pretty sweet.

Negatives? APRIL Twenty-third!

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:32 pm

Hedgecore wrote:Positives: Mohinder finally figured out that his little traveling partner is *gasp* Sylar! Its about time, I'd say. Didn't Mohinder how totally sketchy he was acting?

He probably did once they hit Montana, but it wouldn't exactly be smart to say anything while he's in the car with psycho killer dude. Of course, it was kinda stupid to keep Sylar alive since he could still do tests on his corpse, but then again, it's the guy who killed his father so he probably wasn't thinking entirely straight.

Hiro's back in action (woo!).

Plot hole: since Hiro got flagged for his blatant cheating in the casino, how was Ando able to get a security job there? Don't they need, you know, training and background checks and not being flagged for cheating in the casino? Unless this was because Linderman sitting in the background, pulling strings, making veggie pot pies, generally being inscrutable and making sure that Nathan's geeky Japanese buddy is one of the Heroes.

I'm curious to see just how Mrs. Petrelli fits into the big picture. How much she knows.

Yeah, seriously. She started as a depressed shoplifter and now she's sitting in the huge shadowy background web of conspiracies. Does anybody here know French? Can we get some translations?

Normally I hate huge conspiracy things but I want to see how it all fits together.

Hedgecore · Post by **Hedgecore** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:09 pm

I speak French!

Though it seems, not well enough. I sort of got the gist of it last night...kinda. Here's the real translation according to the Internet:

The Internet wrote:Mrs.Petrelli: And at least now she'll be safe, and no thanks to you.

Haitian: Listen, I did all that I could, but she ended up finding her own path.

Mayabird wrote:Plot hole: since Hiro got flagged for his blatant cheating in the casino, how was Ando able to get a security job there? Don't they need, you know, training and background checks and not being flagged for cheating in the casino? Unless this was because Linderman sitting in the background, pulling strings, making veggie pot pies, generally being inscrutable and making sure that Nathan's geeky Japanese buddy is one of the Heroes.

I just figured Ando did the old "Knock the guy out and stick him in a closet trick" to get the security guard getup. Kind of like when they wore the bellhop uniforms to get Hope's bag back. Then again, if Ando did that, he would have only had a short time before he was discovered, and he had no idea exactly when Hiro would show up.

...so plot hole either way, I guess. Dammit!

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:46 am

I have arrived.

EDIT: ...just in time for the mid-season break. WHAT THE FUCK.

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:29 pm

Welcome to the party, Stofsk.

I thought I'd be able to wait just fine until April 23rd. Then I just had to read the last entry in Hiro's blog. Dammit.

Let's see how these spoiler tags work.

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Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:14 pm

Can I just say, having the mid-season break begin after episode 18 has aired... seems a little strange to me. How many episodes in this season? 20? 22?

So the season is on the way towards being finished. They have a break now? Rather than during the xmas period?

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:49 am

Stofsk wrote:Can I just say, having the mid-season break begin after episode 18 has aired... seems a little strange to me. How many episodes in this season? 20? 22?

So the season is on the way towards being finished. They have a break now? Rather than during the xmas period?

I don't think they've finished filming the last few episodes. They probably started rewriting the last few episodes at the last minute (when the writers started hearing that that interlude in the middle sucked and heard what the critics and fans really wanted) and then ran out of time while making the do-overs. For instance,

[spoilers]that painting of Hiro and the dinosaur? Everyone got really disappointed by the scene in the museum. Now there are rumors that Hiro really is going back a hundred million years or so. And it will be made of awesome, because they know it'll have to be.[/spoilers]

LadyTevar · Post by **LadyTevar** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:47 pm

I don't like the idea of Hiro going back that far. Having him bump into the museum replica solved the painting quite nicely, and again pointed out how not all the paintings come out exactly as they seem to be.

The headless blond was the wrong cheerleader. Peter survived, tho the painting showed him twisted and dead under the clock. The paintings are snapshots of the future, but the future changes with what we do.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:48 pm

LadyTevar wrote:I don't like the idea of Hiro going back that far. Having him bump into the museum replica solved the painting quite nicely, and again pointed out how not all the paintings come out exactly as they seem to be.

The headless blond was the wrong cheerleader. Peter survived, tho the painting showed him twisted and dead under the clock. The paintings are snapshots of the future, but the future changes with what we do.

The painting of Peter was dead on; He was in that exact position. He just regenerated from it.

Hedgecore · Post by **Hedgecore** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:49 pm

Heroes finally returns on Monday, so I think its about time to necro this thread.

Who's excited? Me, I'm real excited.

Post by **B4UTRUST** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:06 pm

I'm hesitant. I'm looking forward to the return of the show, but Lost just did this and Lost after it's return sucked donkey dong...

so here's hoping that Heroes is better.

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:17 pm

B4UTRUST wrote:I'm hesitant. I'm looking forward to the return of the show, but Lost just did this and Lost after it's return sucked donkey dong...

so here's hoping that Heroes is better.

Lost always sucked. You can tell early on in the first season they're just making up shit as they go along and that they were going to string the whole thing out as long as possible.

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » Thu May 03, 2007 9:22 pm

Done with finals and caught up.

I thought I was going to hate the "Oh no the future is all dark and cliche-ed and really very little about this matters because we're going back in time" episode but I ended up liking it, even with some of silliness and plot holes. They did skimp on showing the demigod fights but there was enough super-power usage that I didn't mind that much.

Hedgecore · Post by **Hedgecore** » Thu May 03, 2007 11:28 pm

"Skimp" is putting it lightly. I'd have said "Orange and blue flashing behind a door." It was nice to see Peter kicking a little tail earlier in the episode.

So, was anybody else confused by the timelines in the episode? It seems that in that future Hiro hadn't gone back to tell Peter to "save the cheerleader." Because of this, Sylar gets her powers, and Hiro can't kill him. However, Mohinder from that timeline remembers the encounter on the subway, and Claire is alive.

meh, timetravel always opens up huge can's of worms.

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » Fri May 04, 2007 7:53 am

I would have been, but I read the comic books on the website which explained what was going on.

Loop 1: Sylar kills Claire and eats her brains or something. Hiro tries to stop him, stabs him, but Sylar regenerates and goes kablooie. Hiro spends years making his string timelines and then goes back to meet Peter.

Loop 2: Hiro goes back to the subway and meets Peter. "Save the cheerleader" and so on. Claire does not die, except now Peter becomes the bomb. Present Hiro time-travels to the future and so is removed from the timeline and has no effect on the events (same thing that happened the first time he jumped to the future - Ando said that Hiro had been missing for five weeks).

Now we're on Loop 3 - no bomb yet, and Hiro has come back from the future with Isaac's comic and instructions to kill Sylar, even though it might still be Peter that goes boom, but Future Hiro didn't know that.

Hedgecore · Post by **Hedgecore** » Fri May 04, 2007 12:38 pm

So, for most of the show we've been seeing Loop 2, but in that episode we see the results of Loop 1? And Hiro of Loop 1 causes the changes in 2. I get that much.

It's just that, if we were seeing 5 years down the line of 1, how can have Sylar regenerate and Claire still be alive. Those seem mutually exclusive.

I was thinking it could be an instantly updating timeline (kind of like Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure), but if that were the case Future Hiro wouldn't have been there, since Hiro and Ando skipped ahead 5 years.

Maybe I should read the rest of those comics.

OH! Also! Future Matt Parkman had been working directly for President Sylar for at least several years in that future. Wouldn't he have heard at least some of his crazy-ass-diabolical thoughts as some point?

Post by **B4UTRUST** » Fri May 04, 2007 1:03 pm

As for the Matt Parkman issue, we know that at least one or two of the metahumans in the series are capable of blocking his thought powers. The Hatian for one.

Out of all the people Sylar absorbed into him there's a good chance he found a way to block it.

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » Wed May 16, 2007 7:03 pm

Only one more episode to go. Will New York go boom? Who's going to live and die?

I'm predicting that there will be an explosion, but it won't be the catastrophe that it was in the earlier timelines. It'll be smaller or people will be evacuated or something else happens along those lines. Isaac's paintings come true but they can be altered. A cheerleader dies, but not Claire. Peter dies, but then comes back to life. Nathan becomes president, but it's really Sylar pretending to be Nathan with Candace's power. So boom, but if altered enough there won't be the repercussions of doom afterwards.

Steve · Post by **Steve** » Sat May 19, 2007 5:52 am

I think Peter might very well die defeating Sylar. If not, they'll still work him out of the series for next year, leave him in the background, since he's simply too powerful. He'd be like the friggin' Sentry for Marvel, a walking deus ex machina.

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » Tue May 22, 2007 6:18 pm

I was quite underwhelmed. There were some good parts (Claire out the window, Micah and Molly sittin' in a...ahem, sorry about that) but then...meh.

Dear directors: if you want to show that these people really don't know how to fight and are novices in their powers, there are cool ways of doing it. I suggest watching the last flashback of Rashomon for ideas on crappy fights done well. Also, if you actually are going to bring Nathan back for some reason despite all logic, then he'd better not look nice. He'd better be blinded with radiation burns and in a hyperbaric chamber with doctors all around saying that they've never seen a mob hit result that resembles someone sucking down hard vacuum.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:16 am

Re: paintings and the future

[spoilers]The explosion that destroyed New York happened in the daytime, so it's still possible that it could happen, given that both of them survived and Peter still doesn't have control of nukey nukey. I have to admit, I kind of figured Nathan would fly Peter off in the clincher, given Peter's visions.

So far, very little that was shown in the future has been disproven. In fact, so far, nothing has strictly been thrown out. I get the feeling it will all come to pass next season, thanks to Hiro screwing around with time.[/spoilers]

LadyTevar · Post by **LadyTevar** » Wed May 23, 2007 5:43 am

Why did you spoilerize what's basically just your own theories, Hotfoot?

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » Wed May 23, 2007 9:03 am

Because it takes into account stuff from the most recent episode, which some people might not have seen yet.

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