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#1 Games Workshop Claims "Space Marine" as Trademark

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Yup, it's that time again, Games Workshop is attempting to claim that the term "Space Marine" is theirs. Never mind that it's a term that's been in use since the 1930's by dozens of science fiction writers.

Adeptus Astartes? Sure. That one I'll freely grant. But Space Marine? Nope, I call this action bullshit. Granted, this is based off of a blog post by the author who had his book pulled from Amazon because of this, so there's still a lot more to this story I'm sure, but GW has a pretty long history of draconian IP protection.

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Back in December, when Games Workshop first got M.C.A. Hogarth's Spots the Space Marine novels pulled from Amazon.com, claiming to own the trademark for "space marine," this seemed like a misunderstanding. Or an overzealous legal department. After all, the term "space marine" goes back to the 1930s and has been used by Robert A. Heinlein and others.

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But according to a blog post by Hogarth today, Games Workshop (which makes the Warhammer 40,000 game and books) is sticking to its guns. Writes Hogarth:

In their last email to me, Games Workshop stated that they believe that their recent entrée into the e-book market gives them the common law trademark for the term "space marine" in all formats. If they choose to proceed on that belief, science fiction will lose a term that's been a part of its canon since its inception. Space marines were around long before Games Workshop. But if GW has their way, in the future, no one will be able to use the term "space marine" without it referring to the space marines of the Warhammer 40K universe.

I used to own a registered trademark. I understand the legal obligations of trademark holders to protect their IP. A Games Workshop trademark of the term "Adeptus Astartes" is completely understandable. But they've chosen instead to co-opt the legacy of science fiction writers who laid the groundwork for their success. Even more than I want to save Spots the Space Marine, I want someone to save all space marines for the genre I grew up reading. I want there to be a world where Heinlein and E.E. Smith's space marines can live alongside mine and everyone else's, and no one has the hubris to think that they can own a fundamental genre trope and deny it to everyone else.

At this point I'm not sure what course to take. I interviewed five lawyers and all of them were willing to take the case, but barring the arrival of a lawyer willing to work pro bono, the costs of beginning legal action start at $2000 and climb into the five-figure realm when it becomes a formal lawsuit. Many of you don't know me, so you don't know that I write a business column/web comic for artists; wearing my business hat, it's hard to countenance putting so much time and energy into saving a novel that hasn't earned enough to justify it. But this isn't just about Spots. It's about science fiction's loss of one of its foundational tropes.

We asked Hogarth via email to clarify the situation — and what, if anything, people can do to help. She responds:

Right now I am hoping to for one of the following things:

- To find a lawyer willing to work with me pro bono;
- To be able to pay for a lawyer otherwise;
- Or to have the public support to encourage Games Workshop to contact Amazon and tell them I am no longer infringing on their trademark. Amazon won't re-instate the e-book without their okay.

When I called Games Workshop and pointed out previous books using the word "space marine," they told me their grounds for complaint was based on the European trademark (which is not valid in the US). I explained that, and was told they believed their publication of novels and e-books awards them a common law trademark in America. This would only work if there weren't other authors predating them who had used the term — they're the ones, then, that would have the right to the common law trademark.

That's my understanding, anyway.

Judging from the comments on Hogarth's Livejournal post (identical to the blog post linked above), lots of people are getting incensed about this and talking about getting bigger guns involved — possibly including the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America. And some big-name authors who use space marines in their work. For now, though, Hogarth wants you to spread the word.
And people wonder why I twitch a little every time Games Workshop is brought up.
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#2 Re: Games Workshop Claims "Space Marine" as Trademark

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While I generally do associate the term Space Marine with the Astartes chapters these days, that's ridiculous. What's next, LFL claiming they own the term 'starfighter'? Hey, maybe I can get a trademark on 'ray gun'.
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#3 Re: Games Workshop Claims "Space Marine" as Trademark

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Acclaim used to pull this nonsense every ten minutes back in the 90s. I expect this to go the same way all of theirs did.
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General Havoc wrote:Acclaim used to pull this nonsense every ten minutes back in the 90s. I expect this to go the same way all of theirs did.
Got a link on that? While I assume the actual outcome will be 'nowhere fast', it's bound to be good for a laugh, and I can need that right now.
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#5 Re: Games Workshop Claims "Space Marine" as Trademark

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They might not even try a legal claim. After all they could lose that, on the flip side there's no penalty for them telling youtube and amazon (just two random examples I swear) that they have a copyright on those words knowing that amazon and youtube will yank stuff on the better safe then sorry code is there?
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The answer is clear, gentlemen - we must incorporate, and claim trademark over the word "game".
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I'm trademarking frigid.
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I'm trademarking the alphabet. Every time anybody types anything (as long as they're using a western keyboard at any rate) I get to claim royalties. even if I can't make it work retroactively it should get me a fortune within 90 seconds or so. Yeah, I know, I already have one, but the exchange rate seriously stinks.
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Fine, I'll pay your fee Bats.

But I'll take my usage and use it to trademark respiration.

CHECKMATE MOTHERFUCKERS.

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Um-you don't get to charge us for breathing you know. That's not how copyrights work. You'd only get to charge us for using the term respiration.
To charge us for breathing, you'd have to actually patent it.
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Batman wrote:Um-you don't get to charge us for breathing you know. That's not how copyrights work. You'd only get to charge us for using the term respiration.
To charge us for breathing, you'd have to actually patent it.
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I don't think I want to be your archenemy. Last time I was somebody's archenemy I got Damien.
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Batman wrote:I don't think I want to be your archenemy. Last time I was somebody's archenemy I got Damien.
Then quit fucking with my brilliant masterplans and we'll get along just fine.

See, if nobody else noticed the minor, minor logical flaw in my scheme, I would've been rich beyond belief.
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We seem to be working with different definitions of 'minor'. Or 'brilliant'. Or 'masterplan'.
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Bitches be playing in the minor leagues. I just trademarked the human genome. You all owe me money for even existing.
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Charon wrote:Bitches be playing in the minor leagues. I just trademarked the human genome. You all owe me money for even existing.
It's so funny what people will do to get out of debt.

I have the entire cosmological life cycle trademarked. You, your planet, your solar system, your galaxy, and your iteration of the universe all owe some back taxes. PAY UP OR I SUE
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You think too small rheonix

I trademarked spirituality and belief in deity sometime ago.

How do you think I continue to pay to keep this place open?

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I'm just going to go patent the concept of patent, trademark, and copyright law.

Bring it, US federal government. Bring it.
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White Haven wrote:Bring it, US federal government. Bring it.
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Checkmate.
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Typical of the US Imperial-Industrial complex to attempt to avoid paying royalties by a targeted drone strike. So, about these weaponized cease-and-desist batteries...
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White Haven wrote:Typical of the US Imperial-Industrial complex to attempt to avoid paying royalties by a targeted drone strike. So, about these weaponized cease-and-desist batteries...
Which is why I shall copyright the term Cease and Desist.
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