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#1 Mitt Romney: Slash Amtrak, PBS Funding, no Defense Cuts

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Mitt Romney: Slash Amtrak, PBS Funding, But Defense Cuts And Middle Class Tax Cuts Off The Table
WASHINGTON -- In an interview with Fortune Magazine that was published on Wednesday morning, Mitt Romney gave a bit more detail than normal about how he would fulfill his promise to get the nation on track towards fiscal balance.

But the proposals he laid out largely ducked the so-called "painful" choices that experts insist must be made, and seemed to be drawn from rosy assumptions about the immediate political and economic future. At one point, Romney was asked to respond to a Tax Policy Center analysis that concluded he would need to take away tax benefits that primarily help the middle class if he wanted his broader proposals to be deficit neutral.

"They made garbage assumptions and they reached a garbage conclusion," he responded, noting that he has never called for reducing the deductions middle-income taxpayers enjoy on home mortgage interest, charitable giving and health care coverage (he would eliminate them for the rich).

But that only further highlighted his campaign's unwillingness to put out a detailed plan of its own. And it raised again the question of how his overall tax plan -- which extends the Bush tax cuts, reduces individual rates by 20 percent, eliminates taxes on investment income for middle- and lower income taxpayers, repeals the alternative minimum tax and gets rid of the estate tax -- wouldn't balloon the deficit.

Romney's campaign has insisted that they can trim federal spending enough to achieve fiscal balance, but in the Fortune interview, the items Romney pinpointed appeared to be low-hanging fruit.

Romney identified subsidies for Amtrak, PBS, the National Endowment for the Arts and the National Endowment for the Humanities as things he would eliminate. The government spends $444 million a year on the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (the parent organization of PBS); Amtrak received $1.56 billion in federal funding in 2010, with $1.3 billion in stimulus funds; while the National Endowment of the Arts lists the current level of federal funding at approximately $146 million.

Romney said he would block grant Medicaid and send programs like housing vouchers and food stamps back to the states. This, he argued, would save the federal government "approximately $100 billion a year within four years" (the House GOP budget claims to save $771 billion over 10 years). It would also mean dramatic cuts to each of these programs, as states are already dealing with major budget shortfalls.

Romney also told Fortune that he would reduce the number of federal programs by 10 percent through attrition, while tying the compensation of federal workers to that in the private sector. "That saves about $47 billion a year, by the way," he said.

All told, the savings that Romney identified for Fortune would add up to roughly $750 billion over 10 years (depending on the baseline comparison). On Monday and Tuesday, Romney announced that he would restore roughly the same amount ($718 billion) to Medicare as part of his plan to repeal the health care law President Barack Obama put in place.

Theoretically, Romney could find savings to help pay for his tax plan in the defense budget. In his Fortune interview, he acknowledged that there were "enormous opportunities for efficiency and cost savings in the military." But in the very next breath, he committed himself to using those "those savings" not towards reducing the deficit "but instead will be necessary to increase the number of active-duty personnel by approximately 100,000, to restore our military equipment which has been destroyed in conflict, and to invest in the coming technologies of warfare."

In sum, Romney's plan would put off entitlement reforms for 10 years, and rules out reductions in defense spending and major changes to the current tax code, while promising to bring federal spending below 20 percent of GDP by 2016. The Washington Post's Ezra Klein argues this is either fantasy mathematics, or Romney would essentially have to cut every single federal program by 40 percent.

Among those programs would be those that invest in infrastructure, which consume a fair amount of the budget. But Romney has been unwilling to say he'd make that cut. In his Fortune interview, he pledged "very substantial investments over the coming decade" on items like "highways as well as rail and air and communications infrastructure."

Where the money would come from to pay for that, he didn't say.
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#2 Re: Mitt Romney: Slash Amtrak, PBS Funding, no Defense Cuts

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Having read what details he HAS released, he'll raise taxes. On everyone making less than 200,000 a year. Which I beleive is the majority of this board, for example.
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#3 Re: Mitt Romney: Slash Amtrak, PBS Funding, no Defense Cuts

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SirNitram wrote:Having read what details he HAS released, he'll raise taxes. On everyone making less than 200,000 a year. Which I beleive is the majority of this board, for example.
And in the country.

Look, this is not complicated. I don't believe that Romney is hiding the details of some evil plan that he and the GOP have squirreled away in the darkest recesses of Hell. Romney and the GOP have no plan, in part or in full, and so are pretending that they actually do have one. Trained to think the worst of the GOP (which is understandable), everyone interprets this as some sort of secret plot to destroy the world which they are not revealing the details of.

These idiots couldn't plan a birthday party, let alone a balanced budget for the United States.
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Reminds me of something a gallup pollster said that I heard. That the majority of Americans, when asked if they want to see the government reduced, say that it should.

Of course, once you start getting into the specifics of how exactly you will reduce government spending they start back tracking and can't chose anything to cut with any consistency, because they like the things the government does for them.
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I want to see government spending reduced. By adults. Not by pinning the federal government's org chart to a dart board and hurling RPGs at it until you blow a trillion dollars in spending off the thing.
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#6 Re: Mitt Romney: Slash Amtrak, PBS Funding, no Defense Cuts

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I then to think first we should look at the tax code and work it out. Getting rid of corporate loopholes is a good start, but in the spirit of compromise I'm willing to lower the corporate tax rate to get those loopholes shut (look guys it'll still be a revenue increase, 25% of something is more then 35% of nothing), The wealthy are gonna have to pay more... Because they have more of the wealth. I am against a wealth tax however, it smacks of punishing someone for being wealthy.

As for the republicans there are a number of plans floating out there (The Ryan budget for example is honestly however a pipe dream, it would never pass) but they're unviable because they rely solely on cuts and magic genie wishes.
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#7 Re: Mitt Romney: Slash Amtrak, PBS Funding, no Defense Cuts

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General Havoc wrote:Look, this is not complicated. I don't believe that Romney is hiding the details of some evil plan that he and the GOP have squirreled away in the darkest recesses of Hell. Romney and the GOP have no plan, in part or in full, and so are pretending that they actually do have one. Trained to think the worst of the GOP (which is understandable), everyone interprets this as some sort of secret plot to destroy the world which they are not revealing the details of.

These idiots couldn't plan a birthday party, let alone a balanced budget for the United States.
Spot on. Never, ever take a presidential candidate's trophy budget seriously, because if they get elected, they'll wrangle with congress over the budget that comes out, and it's never the budget that the candidate was touting. In a way, Romney is saving a lot of hassle by only pretending to have a plan rather than having to go through the legwork of actually generating, memorizing, and defending one. Truthfully, I'd expect very little difference between an actual Romney budget vs. an actual Obama budget. Budget warfare is almost always sound and fury covering the protection of every congress critter's special projects for their very own district.

As for reform of the tax code, it's been direly needed for decades now. A tradeoff of a rate drop for loophole closure would be nice.
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Unfortunately, Ryan offers not one clue on what government spending he'd cut(Save Medicaid.. Slashed and turned into a block grant.. And Medicare, turned into a coupon program.). He also proposes massive tax cuts. And.. That's it. The rest is just claimed to happen. There are no other details, save that he declares what percentage of GDP Discretionary spending would be at, without a damn clue or claim as to what gets cut, what gets kept. His entire reputation as a 'deficit hawk' or 'details man' is a LIE.
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SirNitram wrote:Unfortunately, Ryan offers not one clue on what government spending he'd cut(Save Medicaid.. Slashed and turned into a block grant.. And Medicare, turned into a coupon program.). He also proposes massive tax cuts. And.. That's it. The rest is just claimed to happen. There are no other details, save that he declares what percentage of GDP Discretionary spending would be at, without a damn clue or claim as to what gets cut, what gets kept. His entire reputation as a 'deficit hawk' or 'details man' is a LIE.
Who, precisely, are you trying to convince here?
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Hmm, am I alone in believing that non-defense spending should be higher along with taxes? The status quo doesn't seem to be working terribly well with states still going broke, government payrolls being cut, and continued deficits.
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Just who in this thread called for slashing Derek? Besides Romney and Ryan.
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General Havoc wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Unfortunately, Ryan offers not one clue on what government spending he'd cut(Save Medicaid.. Slashed and turned into a block grant.. And Medicare, turned into a coupon program.). He also proposes massive tax cuts. And.. That's it. The rest is just claimed to happen. There are no other details, save that he declares what percentage of GDP Discretionary spending would be at, without a damn clue or claim as to what gets cut, what gets kept. His entire reputation as a 'deficit hawk' or 'details man' is a LIE.
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