New STGOD Ruleset
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#102
Eh, I think I'll reconsider an avatar character as PM. I'll just put in some ahistoric figure of my own creation.
Chatniks on the (nonexistant) risks of the Large Hadron Collector:
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
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#103
Freie Deutsche Republik
Population3
National resources4
colonial territory 1 bumped to4
Industry4
economy5
Infrastructure 4
Army5
Navy4
Population3
National resources4
colonial territory 1 bumped to4
Industry4
economy5
Infrastructure 4
Army5
Navy4
"Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution."
- Theodosius Dobzhansky
There is no word harsh enough for this. No verbal edge sharp and cold enough to set forth the flaying needed. English is to young and the elder languages of the earth beyond me. ~Frigid
The Holocaust was an Amazing Logistical Achievement~Havoc
- Theodosius Dobzhansky
There is no word harsh enough for this. No verbal edge sharp and cold enough to set forth the flaying needed. English is to young and the elder languages of the earth beyond me. ~Frigid
The Holocaust was an Amazing Logistical Achievement~Havoc
#104
Though the values won't change, i'll probably change up how the colony regions are listed to approximate the actual Spheres of Interest to be used in-game.
Chatniks on the (nonexistant) risks of the Large Hadron Collector:
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
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The Senate and People of Rome
Population: 3
Natural Resources: 3
Colonial Territory: 4
Industry: 5
Economy: 4
Infrastructure: 5
Navy: 4
Army: 5
Population: 3
Natural Resources: 3
Colonial Territory: 4
Industry: 5
Economy: 4
Infrastructure: 5
Navy: 4
Army: 5
Gaze upon my works, ye mighty, and despair...
Havoc: "So basically if you side against him, he summons Cthulu."
Hotfoot: "Yes, which is reasonable."
Havoc: "So basically if you side against him, he summons Cthulu."
Hotfoot: "Yes, which is reasonable."
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1812- Independence achieved from Iroquois during their civil war.
1820s to 1850s- Expansion into the Great Plains.
1840s-1850s- border skirmishes with United Kingdom and surrounding powers including the Iroquois.
1859- May 10th Ohio Incident: Clash of troops at Michigan-Ohio border, both sides believe the other to be invading and the battle increases to regiment strength before United Republic troops withdraw in good order to fortifications.
1859- May 12th: Governments begin talks amid poisonous public atmosphere. Accusations run rampant. Newspaper blame the other side and trumpet conscirpy theories. Both sides want a war. Further border clashes increase including naval battles on the Great Lakes. The Iroquois believe this to be the best time to drag back a rebellious state, while the United Republics believes it can take over the Ohio River Valley and lower Indiana lands lost during the Revolution.
1859- June 1st: War is declared. United Republic forces attack over Indiana and Ohio borders but are repulsed by better equipped Iroquois forces. Counterattacks slam into heavy lines of forts. Statement for the rest of the year.
1860 March 12th: General Sherman using gun boats breaches the Michigan border, General Sheridan uses this breach to roll up the lines, Michigan is cut off from the rest of the Republics.
1860 April 20th: General Grant given command of the Army of Ontario, invades upper Michigan.
1860 April 25th: City of Tecumseh falls to Iroquois forces. President Nathan Tall Grass killed in evacuation. Vice President Abe Lincoln takes up reign of government moving to Illinois.
1860 May 3rd: Grant invades Wisconsin. Cap Custer transfer to Minnesota front.
1860 June 4th: Sherman enters southern Illinois. Grant enters Southern Wisconsin. Central and Northern Illinois hold out under Lincolns direct command.
1860 June 19th: General Sheridan enters Missouri.
1860 July 4th: Custer and Canadian forces enter central Minnesota. Custer achieves fame by leading the advance into Saint Paul is promoted to Lt Col.
1860 Aug 7th: Battle of Iowa, stalemate. Iroquois government demands surrender, which Lincoln practically under siege refuses.
1860 winter- stalemate continues.
1861 April 13th Grant arrives in Iowa, sends Sherman towards Oklahoma.
1861 May 3rd, Iowa falls.
1861 June 6th, Sitting Bull takes command of western army of the United Republics. Crazy Horse is made Captain of company of light horse cavalry.
1861 July 10th, John Brown an Iroquois by birth takes command of central army of United Republics.
1861 July 11th General Red Cloud leads army into Canada to attack Iroquois supply lines. Sitting Bull attacks into Minnesota.
1861 Aug 1st, General Stand Watie fights Sherman into a stand still at Tulsa Oklahoma.
1861 September 2nd Captain Crazy Horse leads raids into Iowa, destroying several months worth of supplies.
1861 October 3rd, in a surprise attack on forces settled into winter quarters in central Minnesota led by Sitting Bull destroys a Iroquois field army.
1862 March 15th, Crazy Horse attacks and slaughters garrison forces In Wisconsin. Reestablishes contact with Lincoln. Begins a campaign of maneuver up and down Wisconsin and Illinois.
1862 April 30th, Sitting Bull traps and wipes out Lt Col Custer's forces north of Saint Paul, without Calvary the Iroquois forces are defeated in the following battle.
1862 June 14th Red Cloud turns south and with Sitting Bull catches the Northern Iroquois Army.
1862 June 28th, John Brown cuts off Sherman in Nebraska
1862 June 20th, Upon receiving word of this Grant marches South but is caught between Crazy Horse's light horse forces, John Brown's stubbornness and Lincoln's forces out of Illinois. He withdraws into Wisconsin
1862 July 1st, General Sherman begins a fighting withdrawal, tearing up the land behind him. He will march from Nebraska to Michigan being hounded and fighting off General Watie and John Brown the entire way.
He leaves a trail of utter destruction 50 miles wide behind him.
1862 August Sitting Bull and Red Cloud link up in mid Canada they march towards Ontario.
1862 September, Crazy Horse gathers up his light horse swollen by many volunteers irregulars and invades Indiana
1862 November, Crazy Horse reaches Ohio.
1863 January, General Sheridan is sent after Crazy Horse. The resulting campaign takes 6 months ranging from Indiana to west Pennsylvania.
1863 March, General Grant amphib lands his army from Wisconsin to Ontario Canada to face off the armies of Sitting Bull and Red Cloud.
1863 June Sherman reaches Michigan and realizes he cannot hold the state. He decides to retreat into Canada and link up with Grant. However John Brown had stolen a march on him and cut him off. Rather then surrender General Sherman leads his men reduced to a 1/3rd of their number, hungry, tired and tattered into the teeth of John Brown's army. He wins. Punching through but dying in the process. John Brown holds a truce to ship his body back with full honors.
1863 June, John Brown marches into Ohio pushing out General Sheridan. Watie attacks General Grant's positions from the rear. Grant rallies his men and Watie's army is shattered, General Stand Watie himself is killed by cannon fire. Grant turns over his body the other dead and the wounded to Sitting Bull.
1863 July Splitting his forces Grant holds off Sitting Bull and Red Cloud and reinvades Michigan. Red Cloud is transferred to met him and stops him just north of Tecumseh City (Detroit).
1863 August-December- skirmishes and minor actions, everyone reinforces.
1864 Febuary, John Brown attacks into Pennsylvania believing that if he can take the state that the Iroquois will surrender. Sheridan mets him short of Pittsburg, the resulting battle takes 5 days and sees John Brown dead and his army retreating, Crazy Horse takes command through force of personality and holds off Sheridan's counter attack holding Ohio
1864 April, Sitting Bull launches a mass attack to force the Iroquois army out of Ontario. In tandem Red Cloud attacks Grants position in Michigan tying him down. The offensive takes 2 months and gains ground but fails to dislodge either army. Using trench warfare Grant's forces bleed and hold off the enemy.
1864 July Grant attempts a counterattack as does Sheridan. It fails as badly as Sitting Bull's attacks.
1864 September negations start.
1864 November cease fire declared.
1865 January Ontario Treaty signed. borders are returned to pre-war lines.
I was going for Epic.
1820s to 1850s- Expansion into the Great Plains.
1840s-1850s- border skirmishes with United Kingdom and surrounding powers including the Iroquois.
1859- May 10th Ohio Incident: Clash of troops at Michigan-Ohio border, both sides believe the other to be invading and the battle increases to regiment strength before United Republic troops withdraw in good order to fortifications.
1859- May 12th: Governments begin talks amid poisonous public atmosphere. Accusations run rampant. Newspaper blame the other side and trumpet conscirpy theories. Both sides want a war. Further border clashes increase including naval battles on the Great Lakes. The Iroquois believe this to be the best time to drag back a rebellious state, while the United Republics believes it can take over the Ohio River Valley and lower Indiana lands lost during the Revolution.
1859- June 1st: War is declared. United Republic forces attack over Indiana and Ohio borders but are repulsed by better equipped Iroquois forces. Counterattacks slam into heavy lines of forts. Statement for the rest of the year.
1860 March 12th: General Sherman using gun boats breaches the Michigan border, General Sheridan uses this breach to roll up the lines, Michigan is cut off from the rest of the Republics.
1860 April 20th: General Grant given command of the Army of Ontario, invades upper Michigan.
1860 April 25th: City of Tecumseh falls to Iroquois forces. President Nathan Tall Grass killed in evacuation. Vice President Abe Lincoln takes up reign of government moving to Illinois.
1860 May 3rd: Grant invades Wisconsin. Cap Custer transfer to Minnesota front.
1860 June 4th: Sherman enters southern Illinois. Grant enters Southern Wisconsin. Central and Northern Illinois hold out under Lincolns direct command.
1860 June 19th: General Sheridan enters Missouri.
1860 July 4th: Custer and Canadian forces enter central Minnesota. Custer achieves fame by leading the advance into Saint Paul is promoted to Lt Col.
1860 Aug 7th: Battle of Iowa, stalemate. Iroquois government demands surrender, which Lincoln practically under siege refuses.
1860 winter- stalemate continues.
1861 April 13th Grant arrives in Iowa, sends Sherman towards Oklahoma.
1861 May 3rd, Iowa falls.
1861 June 6th, Sitting Bull takes command of western army of the United Republics. Crazy Horse is made Captain of company of light horse cavalry.
1861 July 10th, John Brown an Iroquois by birth takes command of central army of United Republics.
1861 July 11th General Red Cloud leads army into Canada to attack Iroquois supply lines. Sitting Bull attacks into Minnesota.
1861 Aug 1st, General Stand Watie fights Sherman into a stand still at Tulsa Oklahoma.
1861 September 2nd Captain Crazy Horse leads raids into Iowa, destroying several months worth of supplies.
1861 October 3rd, in a surprise attack on forces settled into winter quarters in central Minnesota led by Sitting Bull destroys a Iroquois field army.
1862 March 15th, Crazy Horse attacks and slaughters garrison forces In Wisconsin. Reestablishes contact with Lincoln. Begins a campaign of maneuver up and down Wisconsin and Illinois.
1862 April 30th, Sitting Bull traps and wipes out Lt Col Custer's forces north of Saint Paul, without Calvary the Iroquois forces are defeated in the following battle.
1862 June 14th Red Cloud turns south and with Sitting Bull catches the Northern Iroquois Army.
1862 June 28th, John Brown cuts off Sherman in Nebraska
1862 June 20th, Upon receiving word of this Grant marches South but is caught between Crazy Horse's light horse forces, John Brown's stubbornness and Lincoln's forces out of Illinois. He withdraws into Wisconsin
1862 July 1st, General Sherman begins a fighting withdrawal, tearing up the land behind him. He will march from Nebraska to Michigan being hounded and fighting off General Watie and John Brown the entire way.
He leaves a trail of utter destruction 50 miles wide behind him.
1862 August Sitting Bull and Red Cloud link up in mid Canada they march towards Ontario.
1862 September, Crazy Horse gathers up his light horse swollen by many volunteers irregulars and invades Indiana
1862 November, Crazy Horse reaches Ohio.
1863 January, General Sheridan is sent after Crazy Horse. The resulting campaign takes 6 months ranging from Indiana to west Pennsylvania.
1863 March, General Grant amphib lands his army from Wisconsin to Ontario Canada to face off the armies of Sitting Bull and Red Cloud.
1863 June Sherman reaches Michigan and realizes he cannot hold the state. He decides to retreat into Canada and link up with Grant. However John Brown had stolen a march on him and cut him off. Rather then surrender General Sherman leads his men reduced to a 1/3rd of their number, hungry, tired and tattered into the teeth of John Brown's army. He wins. Punching through but dying in the process. John Brown holds a truce to ship his body back with full honors.
1863 June, John Brown marches into Ohio pushing out General Sheridan. Watie attacks General Grant's positions from the rear. Grant rallies his men and Watie's army is shattered, General Stand Watie himself is killed by cannon fire. Grant turns over his body the other dead and the wounded to Sitting Bull.
1863 July Splitting his forces Grant holds off Sitting Bull and Red Cloud and reinvades Michigan. Red Cloud is transferred to met him and stops him just north of Tecumseh City (Detroit).
1863 August-December- skirmishes and minor actions, everyone reinforces.
1864 Febuary, John Brown attacks into Pennsylvania believing that if he can take the state that the Iroquois will surrender. Sheridan mets him short of Pittsburg, the resulting battle takes 5 days and sees John Brown dead and his army retreating, Crazy Horse takes command through force of personality and holds off Sheridan's counter attack holding Ohio
1864 April, Sitting Bull launches a mass attack to force the Iroquois army out of Ontario. In tandem Red Cloud attacks Grants position in Michigan tying him down. The offensive takes 2 months and gains ground but fails to dislodge either army. Using trench warfare Grant's forces bleed and hold off the enemy.
1864 July Grant attempts a counterattack as does Sheridan. It fails as badly as Sitting Bull's attacks.
1864 September negations start.
1864 November cease fire declared.
1865 January Ontario Treaty signed. borders are returned to pre-war lines.
I was going for Epic.
"it takes two sides to end a war but only one to start one. And those who do not have swords may still die upon them." Tolken
#107
Southern African Republic
Pop 2
NR 5
Colonial Territory 3
Industry 5
Economy 5
Infrastructure 5
Navy Power 5
Army Size 3
Colonies - 150 points
Outside SoI - Shanghai - 10 pts
Macao - 3 pts
St Helena - 1 pt
Indian Ocean SOI - Reunion - 5 pts
Mauritius - 5 pts
Maldives - 3 pts
Andaman and Nicobar Islands - 3pts
East Africa SOI - Tanganyika & Zanzibar - 50 pts
Middle East SOI - Aden - 25 pts
Bahrain & Qatar - 5 pts
Trucial States - 10 pts
Yemen - 5 points
Oman - 25 points
Pop 2
NR 5
Colonial Territory 3
Industry 5
Economy 5
Infrastructure 5
Navy Power 5
Army Size 3
Colonies - 150 points
Outside SoI - Shanghai - 10 pts
Macao - 3 pts
St Helena - 1 pt
Indian Ocean SOI - Reunion - 5 pts
Mauritius - 5 pts
Maldives - 3 pts
Andaman and Nicobar Islands - 3pts
East Africa SOI - Tanganyika & Zanzibar - 50 pts
Middle East SOI - Aden - 25 pts
Bahrain & Qatar - 5 pts
Trucial States - 10 pts
Yemen - 5 points
Oman - 25 points
#108
Two points:
I'm going with Sunhawk's tech suggestion. You get three "slots" to research various categories: Navy, Army, Machinery (aircraft, new vehicles), Industry, Economy are what I'm considering now, not sure there's anything else that wouldn't fall under one of these five. Every quarter you get the chance of gaining a new "invention"; it could be something like the concept of tanks, geared drives on ships, an advance in chemistry that improves an industrial process or allows new medicine (which improves Permanent Casualty/Temporary Casualty ratio), or a new economic instrument concept that improves cash income from your Economy score.
The slots therefore represent the "direction" your nation's intellectual establishment is taking in finding new discoveries.
Second point; someone asked about allowing customizable ships. I'm loathe to introduce a complex mechanic into the game. But a "balance" scale in which players can customize a class of ships could work, if done simply.
With each type of ship save torpedo boats and destroyers, you have four elements: Firepower, Protection, Speed, and Range. You can have all four balanced or you can pick one or two to improve, but when you improve one you must make another inferior. If you improve Protection, then Firepower, Speed, or Range must suffer. If you improve Protection and Range then Firepower and Speed will suffer.
Thus you can customize your ship classes for roles you consider necessary, and in a nice, abstracted way that doesn't involve picking Upgrades or other elements that might complicate cost calculation.
I'm going with Sunhawk's tech suggestion. You get three "slots" to research various categories: Navy, Army, Machinery (aircraft, new vehicles), Industry, Economy are what I'm considering now, not sure there's anything else that wouldn't fall under one of these five. Every quarter you get the chance of gaining a new "invention"; it could be something like the concept of tanks, geared drives on ships, an advance in chemistry that improves an industrial process or allows new medicine (which improves Permanent Casualty/Temporary Casualty ratio), or a new economic instrument concept that improves cash income from your Economy score.
The slots therefore represent the "direction" your nation's intellectual establishment is taking in finding new discoveries.
Second point; someone asked about allowing customizable ships. I'm loathe to introduce a complex mechanic into the game. But a "balance" scale in which players can customize a class of ships could work, if done simply.
With each type of ship save torpedo boats and destroyers, you have four elements: Firepower, Protection, Speed, and Range. You can have all four balanced or you can pick one or two to improve, but when you improve one you must make another inferior. If you improve Protection, then Firepower, Speed, or Range must suffer. If you improve Protection and Range then Firepower and Speed will suffer.
Thus you can customize your ship classes for roles you consider necessary, and in a nice, abstracted way that doesn't involve picking Upgrades or other elements that might complicate cost calculation.
Chatniks on the (nonexistant) risks of the Large Hadron Collector:
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
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#109
I thought we were done with the rules?
"it takes two sides to end a war but only one to start one. And those who do not have swords may still die upon them." Tolken
#110
We are. It was discussing an addendum to them that was suggested by someone who doesn't like the "all dreadnoughts are created equal" aspect.
Chatniks on the (nonexistant) risks of the Large Hadron Collector:
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
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#111
Alright then here's my take.
It's to vague, to late and to much. Let dreadnoughts be dreadnoughts and if you want to play build a ship buy a simulator program or something. I'm sorry if that's offensive but frankly I'm starting to feel as if playing with the rules is becoming the game instead of actual STGOD. Now I'm willing to entertain some bits like canal bonuses and what not but adding an entirely new thing? Should be out of bounds.
It's to vague, to late and to much. Let dreadnoughts be dreadnoughts and if you want to play build a ship buy a simulator program or something. I'm sorry if that's offensive but frankly I'm starting to feel as if playing with the rules is becoming the game instead of actual STGOD. Now I'm willing to entertain some bits like canal bonuses and what not but adding an entirely new thing? Should be out of bounds.
"it takes two sides to end a war but only one to start one. And those who do not have swords may still die upon them." Tolken
#112
Okay, you know what, this is it. Rules are set. I'm finalizing research now, that's going to be it. Rules are set. Let's spend the week finalizing all territorial and colonial claims and getting started on OrBat generation.
Chatniks on the (nonexistant) risks of the Large Hadron Collector:
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
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#113
Yay! Well... DS we need to talk history but other then that, Charon we need to work out that treaty but other then that I'm pretty much done.
"it takes two sides to end a war but only one to start one. And those who do not have swords may still die upon them." Tolken
#114
Reposting Colony List, this time organized into regions matching possible Spheres of Interest.
Pacific Rim Regions
Southeast Asia
Annam - 20pt.
Cochin - 20pt.
Laos - 10pt.
Cambodia - 20pt.
Siam - 50pt.
Northern Malaya - 10pt.
Southern Malaya - 10pt.
Singapore - 10pt.
Riau Islands - 3pt.
Sumatra - 45pt.
Borneo - 55pt.
Java - 25pt.
Celebes - 20pt.
North Moluccas - 5pt.
South Moluccas - 3pt.
Bali - 3pt.
Sumbawa - 2pt.
Flores - 2pt.
Sumba - 2pt.
Timor - 10pt.
Luzon - 20pt.
Viscaya - 10pt.
Mindanao - 15pt.
East Asia - 206pt.
Inner Manchuria - 65pt.
Outer Manchuria - 30pt.
Korea - 65pt.
Taiwan - 15pt.
Ryukyus - 5pt.
Hong Kong - 10pt.
Macau - 3pt.
Hainan - 10pt.
Kuriles - 3pt.
Kamchatsky - 2pt.
North Okhotsk Bay - 3pt.
South Okhotsk Bay - 15pt.
Primorsk - 10pt.
Sakhalin - 5pt.
The Pacific
Bonin Islands - 2pt.
Marcus - 1pt.
Wake - 2pt.
North Marianas (Saipan and Tinian) - 5pt.
South Marianas (Guam) - 5pt.
West Carolines (Palau Islands) - 5pt.
East Carolines (Truk Lagoon, Yap) - 5pt.
Kiribati/Gilbert Islands - 2pt.
Marshal Islands - 2pt.
Midway - 2pt.
Hawai'i - 15pt.
Society Islands (Tahiti) - 5pt.
Cook Islands - 2pt.
Marquesa Islands - 2pt.
Samoa - 5pt.
Ellice Islands (Tuvalu and Tokelau) - 2pt.
Wallis and Fortuna - 2pt
Tonga - 2pt.
New Zealand - 30pt.
West New Guinea - 15pt.
East New Guinea - 10pt.
Bismarck Islands - 7pt.
Bougainville - 2pt.
Solomon Islands - 2pt.
Santa Cruz Islands (including Vanuatu) - 3pt.
New Caledonia - 5pt.
Fiji - 5pt.
Western Australia - 15pt.
Northern Australia - 25pt.
Southeastern Australia - 35pt.
Tasmania - 10pt.
Western Hemisphere
North America
Alaska - 8pt.
Yukon - 2pt.
Western Arctic Territories - 1pt.
Eastern Arctic Territories - 1pt.
Central Americas
Guatemala - 25pt.
Honduras - 20pt.
El Salvador - 10pt.
Nicaragua - 30pt. (Without Canal), 60pt. (With Canal)
Costa Rica - 20pt.
Panama - 30pt. (without Canal), 60pt. (With Canal)
Colombia - 35pt.
Ecuador - 25pt.
Caribbean
Cuba - 25pt.
The Bahamas - 8pt.
Bermuda - 2pt.
Hispaniola - 15pt.
Cayman Islands - 2pt.
Jamaica - 5pt.
Puerto Rico - 3pt.
Virgin Islands - 3pt.
St. Croix - 2pt.
Trinidad and Tobago - 7pt.
Barbados - 5pt.
Grenada and St. Vincent - 3pt.
St. Lucia - 3pt.
Martinique - 5pt.
Dominica - 5pt.
Guadeloupe - 5pt.
Antigua -3pt.
St. Kitts - 3pt.
Aruba - 2pt.
Curacao - 3pt.
South America
Peru - 35pt.
Chilè - 45pt.
Patagonia - 30pt.
The Platte - 55pt.
Paraguay - 25pt.
Cisplatina - 20pt.
Brazilian Highlands - 40pt.
Mato Grasso - 35pt.
Amazonia - 30pt.
Guyana - 24pt.
Venezuela - 38pt.
The Falklands - 5pt.
South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands - 1pt.
Africa
Northern Africa
Morocco - 30pt.
Algeria - 20pt.
Tunisia - 20pt.
Tripolitania - 15pt.
Cyrenaica - 10pt.
Egypt - 75pt.
West Africa
Mauretania - 5pt.
Senegal - 10pt.
The Canary Islands - 5pt.
Cape Verde Islands - 5pt.
Guinea - 40pt.
The Ivory Coast - 40pt.
The Gold Coast (including Benin and Togo) - 40pt.
Nigeria - 50pt.
Upper Volta - 15pt.
Mali - 15pt.
Niger - 15pt.
Tchad - 20pt.
East Africa
Sudan - 50pt.
Ethiopia - 40pt.
Ogaden - 10pt.
Somaliland - 10pt.
Socotra - 2pt.
Puntland & Southern Somalia - 10pt.
Kenya - 30pt.
Tanganyika & Zanzibar - 50pt.
Central Africa
Cameroon - 20pt.
Gabon - 15pt.
Ubangi-Shari - 15pt.
The Congo - 65pt.
Uganda - 30pt.
Katanga - 30pt.
Angola - 25pt.
Southern Africa
Namibia - 8pt.
Mozambique - 30pt.
Zambia - 10pt.
Zimbabwe - 15pt.
Malawai - 5pt.
Botswana - 20pt.
Transvaal - 35pt.
Natal - 25pt.
Cape Town - 40pt.
St. Helena - 1pt.
Ascension - 1pt.
Indian Ocean
Madagascar - 65pt.
The Seychelles - 5pt.
Mauritius - 5pt.
Reunion - 5pt.
Comoros - 3pt.
Maldives - 3pt.
Andaman and Nicobar Islands - 3pt.
Ceylon - 30pt.
Asia
Middle East
Lebanon - 10pt.
Syria - 20pt.
Palestine (includes Transjordan) - 15pt.
Hedjaz - 15pt.
Nejd - 1pt.
Yemen - 5pt.
Aden - 25pt.
Oman - 25pt.
Trucial States - 10pt.
Bahrain & Qatar - 5pt.
Kuwait - 10pt.
Southern Mesopotamia (Basra, Najaf) - 20pt.
Northern Mesopotama (Baghdad) - 25pt.
Kurdistan - 20pt.
India
Baluchistan - 10pt.
Northwestern Frontier - 5pt.
Sindh - 15pt.
Punjab - 20pt.
Kashmir - 10pt.
Rajputana - 30pt.
Delhi - 25pt.
Nepal - 10pt.
Maharashtra - 30pt.
Orissa - 20pt.
Bombay - 20pt.
Hyderabad - 20pt.
Mysore & Madras - 15pt.
Bengal - 40pt.
Bhutan - 5pt.
Assam - 10pt.
Burma - 20pt.
Central Asia
Afghanistan - 10pt.
Turkmenistan - 10pt.
Khirgizstan - 5pt.
Khiva - 10pt.
Bukhara - 10pt.
Tajikstan - 5pt.
East Turkestan (Xinjiang/Sinkiang) - 7pt.
West Turkestan (Eastern Kazakhstan) - 10pt.
Northeast Caspian-Aral (Western Kazakhstan) - 8pt.
Siberian Plateau - 15pt.
Irkustsk - 10pt.
Yakutsk - 5pt.
Pacific Rim Regions
Southeast Asia
Annam - 20pt.
Cochin - 20pt.
Laos - 10pt.
Cambodia - 20pt.
Siam - 50pt.
Northern Malaya - 10pt.
Southern Malaya - 10pt.
Singapore - 10pt.
Riau Islands - 3pt.
Sumatra - 45pt.
Borneo - 55pt.
Java - 25pt.
Celebes - 20pt.
North Moluccas - 5pt.
South Moluccas - 3pt.
Bali - 3pt.
Sumbawa - 2pt.
Flores - 2pt.
Sumba - 2pt.
Timor - 10pt.
Luzon - 20pt.
Viscaya - 10pt.
Mindanao - 15pt.
East Asia - 206pt.
Inner Manchuria - 65pt.
Outer Manchuria - 30pt.
Korea - 65pt.
Taiwan - 15pt.
Ryukyus - 5pt.
Hong Kong - 10pt.
Macau - 3pt.
Hainan - 10pt.
Kuriles - 3pt.
Kamchatsky - 2pt.
North Okhotsk Bay - 3pt.
South Okhotsk Bay - 15pt.
Primorsk - 10pt.
Sakhalin - 5pt.
The Pacific
Bonin Islands - 2pt.
Marcus - 1pt.
Wake - 2pt.
North Marianas (Saipan and Tinian) - 5pt.
South Marianas (Guam) - 5pt.
West Carolines (Palau Islands) - 5pt.
East Carolines (Truk Lagoon, Yap) - 5pt.
Kiribati/Gilbert Islands - 2pt.
Marshal Islands - 2pt.
Midway - 2pt.
Hawai'i - 15pt.
Society Islands (Tahiti) - 5pt.
Cook Islands - 2pt.
Marquesa Islands - 2pt.
Samoa - 5pt.
Ellice Islands (Tuvalu and Tokelau) - 2pt.
Wallis and Fortuna - 2pt
Tonga - 2pt.
New Zealand - 30pt.
West New Guinea - 15pt.
East New Guinea - 10pt.
Bismarck Islands - 7pt.
Bougainville - 2pt.
Solomon Islands - 2pt.
Santa Cruz Islands (including Vanuatu) - 3pt.
New Caledonia - 5pt.
Fiji - 5pt.
Western Australia - 15pt.
Northern Australia - 25pt.
Southeastern Australia - 35pt.
Tasmania - 10pt.
Western Hemisphere
North America
Alaska - 8pt.
Yukon - 2pt.
Western Arctic Territories - 1pt.
Eastern Arctic Territories - 1pt.
Central Americas
Guatemala - 25pt.
Honduras - 20pt.
El Salvador - 10pt.
Nicaragua - 30pt. (Without Canal), 60pt. (With Canal)
Costa Rica - 20pt.
Panama - 30pt. (without Canal), 60pt. (With Canal)
Colombia - 35pt.
Ecuador - 25pt.
Caribbean
Cuba - 25pt.
The Bahamas - 8pt.
Bermuda - 2pt.
Hispaniola - 15pt.
Cayman Islands - 2pt.
Jamaica - 5pt.
Puerto Rico - 3pt.
Virgin Islands - 3pt.
St. Croix - 2pt.
Trinidad and Tobago - 7pt.
Barbados - 5pt.
Grenada and St. Vincent - 3pt.
St. Lucia - 3pt.
Martinique - 5pt.
Dominica - 5pt.
Guadeloupe - 5pt.
Antigua -3pt.
St. Kitts - 3pt.
Aruba - 2pt.
Curacao - 3pt.
South America
Peru - 35pt.
Chilè - 45pt.
Patagonia - 30pt.
The Platte - 55pt.
Paraguay - 25pt.
Cisplatina - 20pt.
Brazilian Highlands - 40pt.
Mato Grasso - 35pt.
Amazonia - 30pt.
Guyana - 24pt.
Venezuela - 38pt.
The Falklands - 5pt.
South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands - 1pt.
Africa
Northern Africa
Morocco - 30pt.
Algeria - 20pt.
Tunisia - 20pt.
Tripolitania - 15pt.
Cyrenaica - 10pt.
Egypt - 75pt.
West Africa
Mauretania - 5pt.
Senegal - 10pt.
The Canary Islands - 5pt.
Cape Verde Islands - 5pt.
Guinea - 40pt.
The Ivory Coast - 40pt.
The Gold Coast (including Benin and Togo) - 40pt.
Nigeria - 50pt.
Upper Volta - 15pt.
Mali - 15pt.
Niger - 15pt.
Tchad - 20pt.
East Africa
Sudan - 50pt.
Ethiopia - 40pt.
Ogaden - 10pt.
Somaliland - 10pt.
Socotra - 2pt.
Puntland & Southern Somalia - 10pt.
Kenya - 30pt.
Tanganyika & Zanzibar - 50pt.
Central Africa
Cameroon - 20pt.
Gabon - 15pt.
Ubangi-Shari - 15pt.
The Congo - 65pt.
Uganda - 30pt.
Katanga - 30pt.
Angola - 25pt.
Southern Africa
Namibia - 8pt.
Mozambique - 30pt.
Zambia - 10pt.
Zimbabwe - 15pt.
Malawai - 5pt.
Botswana - 20pt.
Transvaal - 35pt.
Natal - 25pt.
Cape Town - 40pt.
St. Helena - 1pt.
Ascension - 1pt.
Indian Ocean
Madagascar - 65pt.
The Seychelles - 5pt.
Mauritius - 5pt.
Reunion - 5pt.
Comoros - 3pt.
Maldives - 3pt.
Andaman and Nicobar Islands - 3pt.
Ceylon - 30pt.
Asia
Middle East
Lebanon - 10pt.
Syria - 20pt.
Palestine (includes Transjordan) - 15pt.
Hedjaz - 15pt.
Nejd - 1pt.
Yemen - 5pt.
Aden - 25pt.
Oman - 25pt.
Trucial States - 10pt.
Bahrain & Qatar - 5pt.
Kuwait - 10pt.
Southern Mesopotamia (Basra, Najaf) - 20pt.
Northern Mesopotama (Baghdad) - 25pt.
Kurdistan - 20pt.
India
Baluchistan - 10pt.
Northwestern Frontier - 5pt.
Sindh - 15pt.
Punjab - 20pt.
Kashmir - 10pt.
Rajputana - 30pt.
Delhi - 25pt.
Nepal - 10pt.
Maharashtra - 30pt.
Orissa - 20pt.
Bombay - 20pt.
Hyderabad - 20pt.
Mysore & Madras - 15pt.
Bengal - 40pt.
Bhutan - 5pt.
Assam - 10pt.
Burma - 20pt.
Central Asia
Afghanistan - 10pt.
Turkmenistan - 10pt.
Khirgizstan - 5pt.
Khiva - 10pt.
Bukhara - 10pt.
Tajikstan - 5pt.
East Turkestan (Xinjiang/Sinkiang) - 7pt.
West Turkestan (Eastern Kazakhstan) - 10pt.
Northeast Caspian-Aral (Western Kazakhstan) - 8pt.
Siberian Plateau - 15pt.
Irkustsk - 10pt.
Yakutsk - 5pt.
Chatniks on the (nonexistant) risks of the Large Hadron Collector:
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
#115
How would people feel for a tentative start date of May 9th?
Chatniks on the (nonexistant) risks of the Large Hadron Collector:
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
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#116
I can rock it.
"it takes two sides to end a war but only one to start one. And those who do not have swords may still die upon them." Tolken
#117
Wait, dammit. I just got reminded that the college-goers are having Finals in the next couple of weeks.
May 9th for start of the IC thread and IC posting, but we might not begin time progression until, oh, May 23rd. May 16th at the earliest.
May 9th for start of the IC thread and IC posting, but we might not begin time progression until, oh, May 23rd. May 16th at the earliest.
Chatniks on the (nonexistant) risks of the Large Hadron Collector:
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
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frigidmagi
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#118
Bah all my finals will be done by the 11th. Slackers the lot of you!
"it takes two sides to end a war but only one to start one. And those who do not have swords may still die upon them." Tolken
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Simon_Jester
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#119 Navy Ratings
Do we have to pay to upgrade the Navy or Army levels we have at the start of the game, or do those ratings only determine starting fleet and army sizes?
In other words, if my Navy 2 nation wants to commission its first run of dreadnoughts, do I have to spend money to upgrade myself to Navy 3 first? Or do I just need Navy 3 to buy dreadnoughts at the start of the game?
EDIT: Also, how extreme are the limitations on coastal versus ocean-going torpedo boats?
In other words, if my Navy 2 nation wants to commission its first run of dreadnoughts, do I have to spend money to upgrade myself to Navy 3 first? Or do I just need Navy 3 to buy dreadnoughts at the start of the game?
EDIT: Also, how extreme are the limitations on coastal versus ocean-going torpedo boats?
Last edited by Simon_Jester on Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.
#120
Army and Navy levels are game-start only. You don't have to "invest" in raising your navy level, you just build ships.
Chatniks on the (nonexistant) risks of the Large Hadron Collector:
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
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Dark Silver
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#121
I'll be good for whenever you want it to start, I'm just working on my history still.
Klavo, I need to talk to you with reguards to France and Acadia....seeing as I'm gobbling your territorial claims in the New World to create my country...
Klavo, I need to talk to you with reguards to France and Acadia....seeing as I'm gobbling your territorial claims in the New World to create my country...
Allen Thibodaux | Archmagus | Supervillain | Transfan | Trekker | Warsie |
"Then again, Detective....how often have you dreamed of hearing your father's voice once more? Of feeling your mother's touch?" - Ra's Al Ghul
"According to the Bible, IHVH created the Universe in six days....he obviously didn't know what he was doing." - Darek Steele bani Order of Hermes.
DS's Golden Rule: I am not a bigot, I hate everyone equally. | corollary: Some are more equal than others.
"Then again, Detective....how often have you dreamed of hearing your father's voice once more? Of feeling your mother's touch?" - Ra's Al Ghul
"According to the Bible, IHVH created the Universe in six days....he obviously didn't know what he was doing." - Darek Steele bani Order of Hermes.
DS's Golden Rule: I am not a bigot, I hate everyone equally. | corollary: Some are more equal than others.
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Simon_Jester
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#122
I'm working on a history for an alternate Imperial China as a great power. I just need to think of a point of departure: something that would jumpstart their reform efforts into something more like what Japan experienced during the Meiji period, and less like the flash in the pan that the Self Strengthening Movements turned into historically.
Beowulf, I assume you don't mind writing the Empire of Wa as giving my China a sound ass-kicking in its version of the Sino-Japanese War of 1894-5, right? That's going to be a fairly major event in the historical backstory.
Beowulf, I assume you don't mind writing the Empire of Wa as giving my China a sound ass-kicking in its version of the Sino-Japanese War of 1894-5, right? That's going to be a fairly major event in the historical backstory.
#123
I would like everyone to repost their desired colonies, complete with your CT score and the values of your colonies.
The United Kingdom of the Pacific:
Colonial Territory (Automatic 3)
5 - 250 Colony Points, +20 million population, 500/1000 Colonial Army Points, 120 cash/quarter (Requires Navy/Army 4)
Colonies:
Australia - 85 points
New Zealand - 35 points
Hawai'i - 15 points
Midway - 2 points
Wake - 2 points
Marshall Islands - 2 points
Samoa - 5 points
Tonga - 2 points
Ellice Islands (Tuvalu and Tokelau) - 2 points
New Caledonia - 5 points
Santa Cruz-Vanuatu - 3 points
Fiji - 5 points
Solomon Islands - 2 points
Bougainville - 2 points
Bismarck Islands - 7 points
Alaska - 8 points
Yukon - 2 points
Western Arctic Territories (western 50-60% of Northwestern Territories IRL) - 1 point
Eastern Carolines - 5 points
Southern Marianas - 5 points
Northern Marianas - 5 points
East New Guinea - 15pt.
Luzon - 20 points
Viscaya - 10 points
Western Carolines - 5pt.
The United Kingdom of the Pacific:
Colonial Territory (Automatic 3)
5 - 250 Colony Points, +20 million population, 500/1000 Colonial Army Points, 120 cash/quarter (Requires Navy/Army 4)
Colonies:
Australia - 85 points
New Zealand - 35 points
Hawai'i - 15 points
Midway - 2 points
Wake - 2 points
Marshall Islands - 2 points
Samoa - 5 points
Tonga - 2 points
Ellice Islands (Tuvalu and Tokelau) - 2 points
New Caledonia - 5 points
Santa Cruz-Vanuatu - 3 points
Fiji - 5 points
Solomon Islands - 2 points
Bougainville - 2 points
Bismarck Islands - 7 points
Alaska - 8 points
Yukon - 2 points
Western Arctic Territories (western 50-60% of Northwestern Territories IRL) - 1 point
Eastern Carolines - 5 points
Southern Marianas - 5 points
Northern Marianas - 5 points
East New Guinea - 15pt.
Luzon - 20 points
Viscaya - 10 points
Western Carolines - 5pt.
Chatniks on the (nonexistant) risks of the Large Hadron Collector:
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
"The chance of Shep talking his way into the control room for an ICBM is probably higher than that." - Seth
"Come on, who wouldn't trade a few dozen square miles of French countryside for Warp 3.5?" - Marina
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#124
Free German Republic
CT 4 (automatic 3), +15 million population
Amazonia 30
Trinidad and Tobago 7
Guyana 24
Cape verde 5
Guinea 40
Ivory coast 40
Nigeria 50
Antigua 3
CT 4 (automatic 3), +15 million population
Amazonia 30
Trinidad and Tobago 7
Guyana 24
Cape verde 5
Guinea 40
Ivory coast 40
Nigeria 50
Antigua 3
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There is no word harsh enough for this. No verbal edge sharp and cold enough to set forth the flaying needed. English is to young and the elder languages of the earth beyond me. ~Frigid
The Holocaust was an Amazing Logistical Achievement~Havoc
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Dark Silver
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#125
La République de Acadian (Acadia)
Colonial Territory 2 (100 Colony Points, +5 million population, 200/400 Colonial Army Points, 90 cash/quarter)
Honduras - 20pt.
Nicaragua - 60pt. (With Canal)
Costa Rica - 20pt.
Colonial Territory 2 (100 Colony Points, +5 million population, 200/400 Colonial Army Points, 90 cash/quarter)
Honduras - 20pt.
Nicaragua - 60pt. (With Canal)
Costa Rica - 20pt.
Allen Thibodaux | Archmagus | Supervillain | Transfan | Trekker | Warsie |
"Then again, Detective....how often have you dreamed of hearing your father's voice once more? Of feeling your mother's touch?" - Ra's Al Ghul
"According to the Bible, IHVH created the Universe in six days....he obviously didn't know what he was doing." - Darek Steele bani Order of Hermes.
DS's Golden Rule: I am not a bigot, I hate everyone equally. | corollary: Some are more equal than others.
"Then again, Detective....how often have you dreamed of hearing your father's voice once more? Of feeling your mother's touch?" - Ra's Al Ghul
"According to the Bible, IHVH created the Universe in six days....he obviously didn't know what he was doing." - Darek Steele bani Order of Hermes.
DS's Golden Rule: I am not a bigot, I hate everyone equally. | corollary: Some are more equal than others.