Transformers: Steel Reign

[Charon]

While I find Headmasters to be just silly, I have to admit that using them against squeemish Autobots makes sense.

Pity for them there are at least three PC bots who have few to no qualms about killing humans when necessary.

[Dark Silver]

While I find Headmasters to be just silly, I have to admit that using them against squeemish Autobots makes sense.

Well, considering Headmasters make absolutely no sense in the original way they were done in the show (humans inhabiting the heads of Transformers), I'm taking the Dreamwave route - miniture robots designed to utilize large "drone" frames as bodies -- Similar in how the Machination seems to be planning it in the IDW TF comics.

[Dark Silver]

I'm happy


I got to use comic book noises as dialogue.


you can all goto the Pits now.

[Cynical Cat]

I notice someone is cribbing a page of Omega Supreme's dialogue.

[SirNitram]

I notice someone is cribbing a page of Omega Supreme's dialogue.

Hey, I'm just a big, dumb combiner. Please ignore all evidence that I might, at any time, drop the act and become a whirlwind of death, catching Decepticons off guard.

[LadyTevar]

Well... I guess someone had to be the token 'ohnoes don't kill humans!' Autobot. Might as well be the Civilian FemBot.

[Cynical Cat]

General Havoc, you may want to edit. Mercury has been used as a fuse in explosives and in bullets designed to expand upon impact, but its no good as purely kinetic penetrator as its a liquid at room temperature. Expanding shells are going to tend to splatter on uber alloy transmetal. You should make the shell explosive or use some other material.

[frigidmagi]

Depleted Uranium is good, as is tungstein.

[LadyTevar]

Copper? Isn't that what's used in TankBusters?

[Cynical Cat]

Copper? Isn't that what's used in TankBusters?

Copper is used in missiles at a jet of molten metal to burn through armour. Not as a kinetic impactor. For solid shells, tungsten which is really effing hard, and depleted uranium (which tends break up by shearing away from the point as the projectile penetrates thus "self sharpening") are what are used by most modern militaries.

[B4UTRUST]

IIRC copper is used as the interior lining of the munition. Tin was also common during WWII I believe.

[General Havoc]

Actually, I used mercury purposefully, having heard about anti-tank rounds with hollow tubes inside about half-full of mercury (in liquid form of course). The shell would hit the tank and the kinetic energy would be transfered into the mercury, which would be thrust forward and, despite being liquid, would drill a hole right through the tank's armor, and then either smash a hole in the opposite side of the tank, or fly around inside the tank, destroying everything.

It was a cool idea in concept, however I can't find any actual evidence that it's a real weapon so....

I think Tungsten-core will do nicely, though I really liked the concept of that liquid-cored round. Pity.

[Dark Silver]

Because you should know what the Fulcrum drones look like in robot mode



Very lightly armored, Hornet could take them down with his gatling lasers.

Pretty much only enough real AI to let them perform combat, otherwise their dumb drones, completely unimaginative.

[Charon]

My internet at home kinda went "Rah! Dead!" yesterday. So I'm only going to be able to post from school (where I spend most of my days anyway! Hah!) so my posting is gonna be kinda sporadic until (hopefully) Tuesday, likely later than that though.

[Cynical Cat]

If we're not allowed to kill our enemies, I'm withdrawing from the game.

Fair is not "they haven't killed any of you so you can't kill any of them" (which also happens to be untrue since Gridlock fried two Autobots).

Fair is "You hit him in the right places with enough firepower to kill him so he's dead."

[LadyTevar]

Nit is a Meanie!

Until my computer is fixed, he's making me use the Wii!

[Charon]

If this is about Sixshot, well then here's a few reasons why he survived.

1.) The mother fucker is supposed to be strong enough to take on our WHOLE TEAM and manage to win. And you just personally attacked him and kicked his ass. Bull. Shit.

2.) Two, I'm really fucking ashamed of you Cat, and I hate to say that because you're a cool guy. But you fucking Autoed your hits AND damage against Sixshot. And this comes as a complete surprise to me, considering how fucking often you have stated your absolute HATE of when players auto their attacks.

You're fucking lucky it's DS that's GMing because he is willing to bend around obstinant players (no offense DS, you're a good GM. We all have our personal style and, personally, that's not mine.) If it were me GMing I'd have fucking editted your post and then with my next post openly raped you with a 12 foot dildo without the lube for autoing your attack and damage against an NPC.

You want to kill an NPC, do it fairly. And let me give you a few examples of what fair is.

Fair is not "I'm gonna auto my hit and damage against an NPC that has thus far not had any damage dealt to him, without GM permission. Oh, and it's gonna do critical damage to."

Fair is "I'm going to get an NPC into a situation where they are not going to be able to survive without being a cheating whore by autoing my damage when I know the GM won't make me change it."

[B4UTRUST]

I do have to point out that Sixshot was more then capable of dealing with this situation as it presently stands. His first appearance was of him beating the hell out of the Aerialbots singlehandedly. With ease. And lots of contempt for their lack of ability.

[Cynical Cat]

Yes, I autoed those hits.

I did it because I was sick and tired of having what should have been hits called misses and hit that should have been severe doing minor damage. I did it because Sixshot made himself and easy target and I having a fucking powerful gun.

I'm tired of not having my position considered before I'm declared flanked and my shots called misses. I'm tired of maneuvering when the outcome has already been decided that I miss.

This isn't a pattern that suddenly showed up in this battle, its been here from the first and I'm well passed the point where I can stomach any more of it.

I don't care if Sixshot lives or dies. Hell, when I was talking with DS before making that post I told him to just have Sixshot tear me up instead of magically evading my shots and getting on rear if he wanted to own me.

I do care about reality being bent like a prezel to prevent any name Decepticon from dying.

It is to the point where I am not enjoying the game. Where I don't want to play it.

I am making my distaste clear. If DS wants convince me I'm being unreasonable, that's fine. If he wants to boot me, that's fine as well.

A GM calls the shot, but it is every player's right and duty to tell the GM when they feel the game is being ruined. I stand by it. My duty isn't to kiss the GM's ass and as a GM the most important feedback I can get from players is what decisions of mine they hate and feel might be ruining the game.

Charon, you have your answer. The nice version.

B4, Sixshot isn't the only one who holds the Arielbots in contempt.

[B4UTRUST]

No, maybe not, but taking them on singlehandedly and easily handing them their asses is a fairly impressive feat for any decepticon. But this is just moving away from the point which is your dislike of the way DS is handling the game, which I cannot comment on.

[General Havoc]

Now... perhaps it's just me... but I would have imagined that someone who spent so much time, effort, and vitriol castigating me for having dared to present an unfit character would present a rationale for having committed the GRAVE error of "autoing" (what we in my old board called "Power Playing"), that consisted of something more than "I have a powerful fucking gun".

Were I the GM, I would tell you where to shove that "powerful fucking gun" of yours... but then I am not the GM, and that is for the best.

This "Easy target" of yours, I will remind you, managed to make an intercept target on a PAIR of air-to-air missiles that Hornet fired and shot them both out of the air. He single-handedly tore a hole through all FIVE Aerialbots together. As best I can tell, he is one of the most dangerous Decepticons alive. Be that as it may, you are now whining, NOT because he shot you down (he did not), NOT because your weapons missed him (they did not), but because after you FLAGRANTLY Autoed your attacks against Sixshot, and DS for whatever reason decided to accommodate you and have you shoot Sixshot down without suffering more than superficial damage yourself (and don't even TRY to tell me otherwise, whatever hits you sustained didn't stop you from shooting Sixshot out of the sky with COMICAL ease), you became pissy about the fact that your shots were not FATAL?! As if somehow the GM owes it to you to kill off major NPCs because you will whine and threaten to leave if you don't?

To put it mildly, you are being absurd. Out of courtesy, I will not put it less-mildly.

I've had THREE (if not four) separate missiles shot out of the air while moving at Mach Six towards their targets by Decepticons who managed to re-target them instantaneously with CIWSes. I've hit FOUR Decepticons with full-scale TF weaponry which did little more to them that scorching paint, and unlike you, I actually had my character sustain MEANINGFUL DAMAGE while doing so, rather than your "I take the hit, it does nothing to me, I keep blasting everything in sight" routine. You seem to think that we should be impressed with your character's power why? Because you have big fucking guns? Sixshot also has big fucking guns, as does Chimera and half a dozen others. I didn't see you falling all over yourself to kill off your own character when you got hit with them.

I don't give a rat's ass WHAT kind of contempt you hold for the Aerialbots. The character you just shot down was able to handily beat the stuffing out of ALL FIVE of them AT ONCE. Even if they ARE relatively weak compared to your character (which I do not see why they should be), I absolutely refuse, categorically, to accept that you are being discriminated against because you were not allowed to AUTOMATICALLY KILL an NPC that could take down ALL FIVE AERIALBOTS AT THE SAME TIME. Let me stress this because it bears stressing. DESPITE the fact that you CHEATED in the game, you were allowed to overwhelmingly defeat a Decepticon who was more powerful than FIVE standard Autobots put together, and now you're whining and swearing because you didn't KILL him?!

In the immortal words of the MMORPG world: "Cry more".

There are two options here. Either you completely autoed this "kill" incommensurate with the actual power of your character, meaning that Deathstrike should not have been able to down Sixshot that easily, and you just cheated your way to victory (I don't give two shits what your justification is, power play or autoing or whatever it is called is Dirty Play by all standards), or your character actually IS powerful enough to down Sixshot with ease, in which case you have ABSOLUTELY NO standing to lecture myself or anyone else on whose characters are and are not overpowered. And to think you gave me a lecture because I put MERCURY in a missile?! Perhaps you forgot that in an RPG, one does not simply get to declare that one's character is godly because one has said so? I can't think of how else you would have gotten to that conclusion.

You threaten to leave this game because you didn't get to kill Sixshot? Well put up or shut up, Cynical Cat, because I have neither the patience nor the inclination to tolerate whining threats to leave a game, as though that should stimulate us all to beg you to stay.

[Cynical Cat]

I don't give a rats ass about whether or not Sixshot dies. He made himself an easy target and I called hits because Deathstrike is a good shoot, Sixshot had turned his back on me, and Sixshot isn't faster than a laser.

It's hardly a big deal when done to an NPC. There's an all powerful GM tool where he types and tells a player "you made a bad call, edit to conform to x." I've used it before.

I do care that it is part of a systematic pattern of the GM preventing NPCs from dying when they should have been killed.

This isn't the first time its been brought up, and not just by me.

My guns and missiles don't kill. Nor do anyone elses.

People repeatedly perform poorly in combat in the areas they specialize in.

Tev's energon grenades don't do jack to anyone but PCs. A wounded Chimera wasn't even slowed by them.

Wounded Desepticons escape so they can't be finished off. Continually.

Hornet's missile gets blown out of the air so Blitzwing doesn't take a serious wound.

So go fuck yourself General Havoc. This isn't about my ego or not getting kills. It's not about power. My character in "Heroes" was ineffective against Abaddon, had less than impressive showings against other villians, and has been torn up a half dozen times. None of that was unfair. The idea of the fucking idiot who defended a stupid no limits indestructable monomolecular shield scythe complete with their uber unseeable ultrafast assassin saying that I have no place deciding what is overpowered is laughable. I will make my calls as I see them, as a player and as a GM, and the opinion of a shithead like you won't stop me.

It's about a pattern of the GM handling combat in an unfair manner and ignoring player concerns when we talked to him about it in a much nicer manner.

So I'm not being nice about it. It has reached the point where it is ruining the game for me. So I'm throwing up the big red warning sign and letting the GM know how serious the situation is while it is fixable, instead of after.

[LadyTevar]

My grenades aren't meant to do a lot of damage, Cyncat, so that's not a valid argument.
Leave me out of your bitchfit, please. I'm enjoying the game.

[General Havoc]

So go fuck yourself General Havoc. This isn't about my ego or not getting kills. It's not about power. My character in "Heroes" was ineffective against Abaddon, had less than impressive showings against other villians, and has been torn up a half dozen times. None of that was unfair. The idea of the fucking idiot who defended a stupid no limits indestructable monomolecular shield scythe complete with their uber unseeable ultrafast assassin saying that I have no place deciding what is overpowered is laughable. I will make my calls as I see them, as a player and as a GM, and the opinion of a shithead like you won't stop me.

That's it.

You were warned, repeatedly, and at length, by me and others to maintain a civil tone when you addressed me. I asked you to do this by Instant message, and I asked you to do it in OOC. I am now TELLING you for the last time, that you will maintain a civil tongue in your head when you address me on ANY subject in ANY circumstance WHATSOEVER. THIS IS NOT A GODDAMN REQUEST.

Until you learn to speak to me in an adult fashion, I shall consider everything you say to be the same "BLAH BLAH BLAH FUCK SHIT COCK BLAH BLAH BLAH PAY ATTENTION TO ME!" crap that I have seen thus far from you. In the meanwhile, you may shove your self-righteousness up your ass for all I care. You are discussing a weapon and a character which do not exist in this game. I am discussing a character (yours) which does. Try and stay on the ball here.

Edit: This post was originally much longer and much angrier, but I realized after the fact that to go into lengthy discussions of why CynCat was being an asshole was to lower myself to his level, and thus I retract everything but what is posted above. Apologies if I offended anyone with the previous version.

[SirNitram]

Are we really going to have this immature 'HE USED BAD WORDS!' shit? I don't believe this...