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#1 The Politically Incorrect Guide to U.S. Interests in the Mid

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:00 pm
by frigidmagi
foreign policy
Foreign policy, including the use of military power, isn't an end in itself. It consists of tools and instruments designed to achieve specific and hopefully well-thought-out ends. Those ends -- let's call them interests -- are theoretically supposed to drive a country's foreign-policy strategy. Sounds pretty simple, right?

So what are America's interests in the Middle East? Are there core goals and priorities that are more important than others? Does the country pretend certain things are more important than they really are? And how do you think it is doing in protecting those interests?

These are really good questions, and they're not asked nearly enough. One reason is that since 1945, when the United States began to get its feet wet in the region, largely as a consequence of oil, Israel, and the Russians -- that complex triumvirate of things it was trying to either protect or guard against -- its core interests have remained pretty much the same.

Today, if you take the Russian bogeyman out of the picture (sorry Mitt), add Islamists and counterterrorism, and subtract a few Arab dictators and authoritarians, U.S. interests remain pretty much the same.

And despite all the charges of bias, dysfunction, and incompetence leveled at the United States, the country has actually done a pretty good job at protecting those interests. The Soviets never really made inroads in the Middle East, and eventually collapsed. The oil kept flowing from the Persian Gulf. And there was even progress -- under American auspices -- on the Arab-Israeli peace process.

Granted, the United States had a couple of oil shocks (1973 and 1979) and a half dozen Arab-Israeli wars, and America's Arab street cred is way down because the country has cut a devil's bargain with more than a few authoritarian rulers and because it staunchly supports Israel.

But hey, you know what? It's not so easy being a great power. And it's really hard to keep everybody happy. If you want unconditional love and affection, get a puppy.

Indeed, had it not been for President George W. Bush's trillion-dollar social science project in Iraq and President Barack Obama's initial tendency to create inflated expectations on both the Israeli-Palestinian issue and what the United States could do to bring democracy to the region, America would even be in better shape.

So what are America's vital national interests in the region today -- the matters it considers the core of its relationship with the Middle East?

Listen to how Obama answers the question. In a major speech in May 2011 dealing with what was then a more hopeful unfolding of the Arab Spring, he said the following:

For decades, the United States has pursued a set of core interests in the region: countering terrorism and stopping the spread of nuclear weapons, securing the free flow of commerce and safeguarding the security of the region, standing up for Israel's security, and pursuing Arab-Israeli peace.

But Obama then went on to add that those interests were insufficient to constitute America's entire foreign-policy strategy. "We must acknowledge that a strategy based solely upon the narrow pursuit of these interests will not fill an empty stomach or allow someone to speak their mind," the president said.

I'd give the president a B-minus for historical accuracy here and a C for honesty about American priorities. Only relatively recently has the United States been really serious about counterterrorism -- it has cherry-picked those countries that it doesn't mind having nukes (Israel, India) and those of much greater concern (North Korea, Pakistan, Iran). And though the peace process has been a priority at times, it has mostly been pursued haphazardly.

The president's views on democracy promotion also represent a real contradiction. By trying to wrap the pursuit of more traditional interests in a prettier box, Obama doesn't do himself or us any favors. Indeed, he raises the expectation -- his specialty -- that the United States, true to its democratic values and principles, will now rise up to decry tyranny, oppose the heavy hand of the authoritarian, and champion the popular will against oppression.

The only problem is: The country doesn't. The perpetuation of this fiction sets the United States up for charges of hypocrisy and carries the potential to undercut the very interests the president identifies as core.

To keep commerce free (I think Obama means oil), the United States supports the authoritarian Saudi kings. To keep the region secure, it backs the repressive Khalifa monarchy in Bahrain, which gives the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet the port access that allows it to project power across the Gulf. And to stand up for Israel, the United States gives the Egyptian military $1.3 billion per year to protect the peace treaty and turn a blind eye while the generals protect their praetorian privileges. As far as championing the rights of the Arab peoples, see America's largely hands-off policy on Syria -- correct though I believe it to be.

I'm not complaining, mind you, just reporting. But the United States needs to be clear and stop pretending. There are certain things in this region it really cares about and that resonate powerfully at home, and others that don't -- and in any event are less susceptible to American influence, power, and persuasions.

Here's the politically incorrect and inconvenient version of American interests in the region. The United States has at least four vital national interests that it really cares deeply about. It is prepared to use force to protect all of them.

1. Stopping an attack on the continental United States with conventional and unconventional weapons. This is the big one. The organizing principle of a country's foreign policy is protection of the homeland. If you can't do that, you don't need a foreign policy. Americans are safer since the 9/11 attacks -- but not safe. There are still transnational groups that want to inflict catastrophic harm on the United States. The country will continue to spend the time and resources in an effort to stop them. The U.S. military will whack bad guys with drones whenever it can, regardless of the protestations of local governments.

2. Energy security. The good news for America is that it's weaning itself off Arab oil. The bad news is that oil is a single market. Supply disruptions and the challenge of making sure Persian Gulf oil doesn't fall into unfriendly hands -- or stop flowing entirely -- will be a core interest for as long as America and the world are dependent on hydrocarbons.

Want to worry about something? Worry about the House of Saud coming down. Oil is useless unless sold, but a regime change in Riyadh that triggered lengthy convulsions would be devastating for America and the world economy. So, staying true to the principles it really doesn't have, America will push what I call the "wink and nod" brand of reform from the Saudis (and also the Bahrainis, and the Kuwaitis, and the Qataris, and the Emiratis). And it'll use force to keep the Strait of Hormuz open and to protect that tried-and-true democracy in Saudi Arabia.

3. Supporting Israel. I can already hear the "what do you mean supporting Israel is a core interest?" crowd rumbling in the back. Let the Israelis fend for themselves, it says. They don't deserve any special status, particularly when they ignore U.S. interests.

The fact is, America has allowed the "special relationship" to become far too exclusive and one-sided, and that's not good for Israel or America. Obama isn't all that enamored about the special bond either and would like to reset it -- but he can't do much about it at this particular political moment.

But none of that makes the case for supporting one of the few democracies that emerged in the wake of World War II any less compelling. Strict realists question the whole values argument, particularly given the Israeli occupation. But support for the security and well-being of Israel, with all its imperfections, is in accord with the broadest conception of the American national interest -- supporting like-minded societies.

Israel also resonates powerfully at home in political terms, and that's nothing to be ashamed of or defensive about. Even factoring in the power of the pro-Israeli community, the U.S.-Israel bond could not have survived for this long without the support of millions of Americans -- not just Jews and evangelicals -- who believe in it too. In a democracy, you need a sustainable domestic base for any long-running policy. There's just no way U.S. support for Israel would have lasted 60-plus years if enough Americans didn't sign off on it.

There's a fourth point that I reluctantly put in this category of vital national security interests -- though I'm not at all sure about it, particularly on whether the United States should be prepared to use military force.

4. Stopping Iran from getting the bomb. I have to be honest: I thought a good deal about not putting this one in the core category. Don't get me wrong; you'd have to be interminably obtuse to conclude that Iran with nukes would be anything other than a disaster. It would raise regional tensions, buck up Iran's regional ambitions, escalate the Israeli-Iranian covert (and maybe overt) war, and probably set off a regional arms race.

And there's no doubt the Obama administration is exerting great effort to stop or delay Iran's program. It has implemented powerful sanctions and embarked on negotiations with a weakened but not chastened Islamic Republic, as dubious as their prospects are.

Still, I'm not at all persuaded the president's heart is in this one. On Iran, he's clearly the "not now" president -- and I suspect he would just like the whole issue to go away. He and the mullahs probably share a common goal: stop or delay an Israeli strike for as long as possible. The president doesn't want to see Iran with nukes, but he worries even more about an Israeli or American military strike.

The Israelis may well force the president's hand at some point -- striking Iran and triggering a U.S. intervention too. But this president will go to great lengths to prevent that. He knows that hitting Iran's nuclear sites will only set the program back a couple of years. Perhaps he's prepared -- and his successors would be too -- for a strategy of striking Iran's nuclear facilities every so often, like some grand game of whack-a-mole (the Israelis call it "mowing the lawn"). But I'm not sure that's a sustainable policy.

The fact is, there's probably only one country that can stop Iran from developing a nuclear weapons capacity, and that's Iran. But I'm not at all sure Tehran will determine that the costs of its nuclear program are prohibitive. Indeed, the fall of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime will only sharpen Iran's sense of vulnerability and accelerate its quest for a weapon.

If Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini hadn't overthrown the shah in 1979, Iran would be a nuclear weapons state today. Why? Because the four countries that have developed nuclear weapons in the past several decades -- Israel, India, Pakistan, and North Korea -- are all fundamentally insecure. They were determined to acquire nukes and had the means and motivation to pull it off. Iran is the poster child for insecurity, but it's even more than that. Throw in its conception of itself as a great power, its regional ambitions, and its grandiosity, and poof -- you're on the road to Nukeville.

The odds that the United States can stop the mullahs from acquiring the capacity to produce a nuclear weapon, should they truly want one, are long indeed. With regard to military action, the risks are probably overstated. It's the efficacy that bothers me. Will a military campaign work? Does America try some eleventh-hour, high-level secret talks with Iran first? Great questions; no answers. But the moment is approaching later this year, or early in 2013, when Israel and the United States will probably face a choice. Bomb, or accept the bomb.

The Rest Is Discretionary

But wait, you say, what about America's other interests, particularly the peace process and democratization?

Great questions. Let me give you some harsh answers. Watch the U.S. government's hands on these two; don't listen to its words. And what that disconnect tells me is that however much the United States says it cares, it really doesn't all that much.

On the issue of a conflict-ending agreement between Israelis and Palestinians, wake me up when the current Israeli government and the Palestinian Authority get serious about doing something real. Every previous breakthrough was preceded by some act -- positive or negative -- that the locals initiated and that gave Washington the means and motivation to intervene successfully. Unless that ownership is present, the United States should stop worrying about this plan or that and stop pretending that it can somehow fix this.

On the issue of the Arab Spring -- or Islamist Winter, depending on your viewpoint -- it's going to be a very long movie. The United States should do what it can to help but stop inflating its rhetoric and realize that it's in no position to act decisively. The country is still involved in a devil's bargain with authoritarian monarchies in the Gulf, military elites in Egypt, and a strongman in Iraq (not to mention a corrupt regime in nearby Afghanistan). Nor did it ever have the capacity or the will to remake these lands. The fact is, Arabs own more of their own politics now than ever before. And that's a good thing.

If America wants to pretend to the rest of the world that it's serious about Arab-Israeli peace or that it'll stand up to defend nascent Arab democracies, that's one thing. All governments dissemble and use idealized arguments to package their policies.

But there are certain things the United States cares about and others it doesn't -- certain issues it's prepared to do something about and others it chooses not to. At the very least, we should stop fooling ourselves about what those really are.
Something worth discussing I thought.

#2 Re: The Politically Incorrect Guide to U.S. Interests in the

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:40 pm
by Josh
That's why I hate hearing rhetoric about freedom and democracy.

I get realpolitik. And hell, pretending that it's all about saving the world is a form of realpolitik, I guess. Just a stomach-churning form.

#3 Re: The Politically Incorrect Guide to U.S. Interests in the

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:32 am
by Dark Silver
Likewise.

I shake my head when people go "We're bringing Democracy and Freedom to those people!"

Not enough people in the US bothers to try to find out, they just consume and regurgitate whatever FOX news tells them.

But yes, I'd say that is what most of our Middle East Foriegn policy revolves around - though I'll admit I'd like to see a reset in relations between Israel and the US to where it doesn't seem like we're such a bitch to their whims....

#4 Re: The Politically Incorrect Guide to U.S. Interests in the

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:56 am
by Josh
Dark Silver wrote:But yes, I'd say that is what most of our Middle East Foriegn policy revolves around - though I'll admit I'd like to see a reset in relations between Israel and the US to where it doesn't seem like we're such a bitch to their whims....
As soon as the Dem base drifted a bit on the issue, the Republicans kicked their Israel rhetoric up to the next level in an effort to pry away donations and a few votes. The whole "Judeo-Christian lineage" thing really started getting tossed around in the late nineties, which was always kind of grimly amusing to me given the shitty behavior of various Christian denominations toward the Jews throughout history. A lot of the folks throwing that one around are totally unaware of anything other than the Holocaust.

#5 Re: The Politically Incorrect Guide to U.S. Interests in the

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:51 pm
by Charon
I agree on pretty much all accounts, though I would disagree vehemently with one.

That we should be open about what it is we want. International politics is built solely upon the pretty lie. Would the world be better if it wasn't? Frankly, I think it would not. The world would be a lot worse off. But thankfully most people high-up see the lie for what it is and I for one am happy to let the common man live under that lie, because it means a lot less push from the "outraged populace" to take actions that would end really, really, badly. But I am also all for the release of articles such as this from those who like to keep informed and see the lie for what it is.

As for US-Israeli relations I honestly think that they are the weakest they have been in decades, and that is in large because of the Obama administration which is tired of playing the old song and dance of let Israel do what it wants. I think I remember hearing that he has not yet personally visited Israel. I could be wrong on that though.

#6 Re: The Politically Incorrect Guide to U.S. Interests in the

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:56 pm
by General Havoc
Josh wrote:That's why I hate hearing rhetoric about freedom and democracy.
This is akin to claiming that you hate food because sometimes you're already full. The US does not pursue with a single-minded zeal the ideals of freedom and democracy? Fair point, and an accurate one. Explain to me how it follows that all such rhetoric is hateful and wrong? The article above argues that part of the US' support for Israel is due to the simple fact that they are one of the only democracies to emerge in the last sixty years, and the only one (jury being out on the Arab Spring) in the Middle East. Are there other reasons why we support Israel? Absolutely. Some of them are probably not to our credit. But that doesn't mean the rhetoric enters into it not at all.
Josh wrote:I get realpolitik. And hell, pretending that it's all about saving the world is a form of realpolitik, I guess. Just a stomach-churning form.
You'd prefer we pretend it's about what exactly? At risk of a tautology, our national efforts are in pursuit of our national interests, which does not always, but does sometimes dovetail with such notions as the spread of freedom. If you find the reconstruction of Germany and Japan (both done for solid realpolitik reasons brushed heavily with freedom and democracy rhetoric) "stomach churning", then I suppose you're free to hold such an opinion. Or if you're restricting it to such cases as we've done not-nice things, like supporting the House of Saud, Pinochet, etc, then I hasten to ask how exactly it's the rhetoric that pisses you off?
Dark Silver wrote:I shake my head when people go "We're bringing Democracy and Freedom to those people!"
None of whom are in this thread, on this board, or for that matter, in earshot.
Dark Silver wrote:Not enough people in the US bothers to try to find out, they just consume and regurgitate whatever FOX news tells them.
Explaining to me that you are smarter than tens of millions of people you don't know is not likely to elicit the sort of reaction you are looking for. I would just as well assume you made all those people up. Besides, the "sheeple" question seems ill-fitting here in an article discussing the actual policies of the US government vis-a-vis the Middle East. If I post an analysis of Bolivian fruit prices, will you also tell me about how the dumb republicans watch Fox News and how you are smarter than them?
Dark Silver wrote:But yes, I'd say that is what most of our Middle East Foriegn policy revolves around - though I'll admit I'd like to see a reset in relations between Israel and the US to where it doesn't seem like we're such a bitch to their whims....
I also find this analysis accurate insofar as it identifies our key goals within the region. However, while we support Israel quite closely, and have for sixty years, we do this in no small part because a majority of the country believes that we should. We do not act as their bitch. We act as though they were one of the only nations in the Middle East with which we share any sort of governmental, social, or political policy.
Charon wrote:I agree on pretty much all accounts, though I would disagree vehemently with one.

That we should be open about what it is we want. International politics is built solely upon the pretty lie. Would the world be better if it wasn't? Frankly, I think it would not. The world would be a lot worse off. But thankfully most people high-up see the lie for what it is and I for one am happy to let the common man live under that lie, because it means a lot less push from the "outraged populace" to take actions that would end really, really, badly. But I am also all for the release of articles such as this from those who like to keep informed and see the lie for what it is.
I wouldn't call it a pretty lie. I would call it an ideal to which the United States does not always live up to in practice. This places us in the company of largely every other institution, national or otherwise, on Earth, save of course for those who don't bother to dress up their naked realpolitik. We do not govern our policies solely by the question of what will spread freedom and democracy around the world, but like it or not, it does inform our politics, if in no other way than the US' general policy that the spread of Democracy as a form of government is by and large in our interests. There have been occasions (such as with Pinochet and Allende) where we have fallen from that policy. That does not mean it never existed. It also does not mean that to mention its existence makes one stupid.
As for US-Israeli relations I honestly think that they are the weakest they have been in decades, and that is in large because of the Obama administration which is tired of playing the old song and dance of let Israel do what it wants. I think I remember hearing that he has not yet personally visited Israel. I could be wrong on that though.
The Obama administration has not been as forthcoming with support for Israel as some previous administrations have been, due to differences in policy over how Israel should be dealing with a host of issues (foremost of which of course is Palestine). The article is correct that the US either does not define Israeli-Palestinian peace as a core issue, or recognizes that it lacks the capacity to bring that about by fiat, but the US has definitely ratcheted up the pressure to curtail some of the more ludicrous elements of Israel's policy there, and with other domestic matters. That said, there is no chance, I repeat no chance, of some sort of sudden "rupture" of relations between Israel and the United States. The potential reasons for such a rupture simply do not exist. What this is is an evolution in the state of play. The US (and to an extent Israel) is finally coming around to the notion that Israel's fundamental existence is no longer under threat (at least not the way it previously was). Given that there is therefore a much lessened risk of Israel's outright destruction, the points of friction between Israel and the US can be allowed to come to the fore without risking the obliteration of the country.

To use a massively inappropriate analogy: One does not argue with one's neighbor over the loudness of their music when their house is on fire. Only when there is no more fire can one start to discuss why playing Motorhead at 3AM is not appropriate.

#7 Re: The Politically Incorrect Guide to U.S. Interests in the

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:25 pm
by Charon
General Havoc wrote:
Charon wrote:I agree on pretty much all accounts, though I would disagree vehemently with one.

That we should be open about what it is we want. International politics is built solely upon the pretty lie. Would the world be better if it wasn't? Frankly, I think it would not. The world would be a lot worse off. But thankfully most people high-up see the lie for what it is and I for one am happy to let the common man live under that lie, because it means a lot less push from the "outraged populace" to take actions that would end really, really, badly. But I am also all for the release of articles such as this from those who like to keep informed and see the lie for what it is.
I wouldn't call it a pretty lie. I would call it an ideal to which the United States does not always live up to in practice. This places us in the company of largely every other institution, national or otherwise, on Earth, save of course for those who don't bother to dress up their naked realpolitik. We do not govern our policies solely by the question of what will spread freedom and democracy around the world, but like it or not, it does inform our politics, if in no other way than the US' general policy that the spread of Democracy as a form of government is by and large in our interests. There have been occasions (such as with Pinochet and Allende) where we have fallen from that policy. That does not mean it never existed. It also does not mean that to mention its existence makes one stupid.
Well when I was referring to the pretty lie I did mean every country or organization from the 21st century BC to the 21st Century AD. Certainly our ideals will heavily inform and enforce on what actions we will take, but as you pointed out, there will be times when national interests and national ideals will not align, and the pretty lie is in place to round the square as best it can. The Pretty Lie can be useful in other ways too, after all our ideals meant we should not have good relations with the Soviets back during WWII, but bigger issues were at hand, so the Pretty Lie had to round the square.
As for US-Israeli relations I honestly think that they are the weakest they have been in decades, and that is in large because of the Obama administration which is tired of playing the old song and dance of let Israel do what it wants. I think I remember hearing that he has not yet personally visited Israel. I could be wrong on that though.
The Obama administration has not been as forthcoming with support for Israel as some previous administrations have been, due to differences in policy over how Israel should be dealing with a host of issues (foremost of which of course is Palestine). The article is correct that the US either does not define Israeli-Palestinian peace as a core issue, or recognizes that it lacks the capacity to bring that about by fiat, but the US has definitely ratcheted up the pressure to curtail some of the more ludicrous elements of Israel's policy there, and with other domestic matters. That said, there is no chance, I repeat no chance, of some sort of sudden "rupture" of relations between Israel and the United States. The potential reasons for such a rupture simply do not exist. What this is is an evolution in the state of play. The US (and to an extent Israel) is finally coming around to the notion that Israel's fundamental existence is no longer under threat (at least not the way it previously was). Given that there is therefore a much lessened risk of Israel's outright destruction, the points of friction between Israel and the US can be allowed to come to the fore without risking the obliteration of the country.

To use a massively inappropriate analogy: One does not argue with one's neighbor over the loudness of their music when their house is on fire. Only when there is no more fire can one start to discuss why playing Motorhead at 3AM is not appropriate.
I did not imply in any way that there would be any sort of rupture between Israel and the United States, merely that, as you admitted yourself, Obama has ratcheted back the seemingly unquestioning support that Israel enjoyed with some previous Presidents. They are still most assuredly our closest allies in the middle east and will continue to be for the foreseeable future (which is now not as foreseeable as it was a few years ago thanks to the Arab Spring), and even then I would not put good odds on Israel/US relations ever tanking.

#8 Re: The Politically Incorrect Guide to U.S. Interests in the

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:41 am
by Josh
General Havoc wrote:This is akin to claiming that you hate food because sometimes you're already full. The US does not pursue with a single-minded zeal the ideals of freedom and democracy? Fair point, and an accurate one. Explain to me how it follows that all such rhetoric is hateful and wrong? The article above argues that part of the US' support for Israel is due to the simple fact that they are one of the only democracies to emerge in the last sixty years, and the only one (jury being out on the Arab Spring) in the Middle East. Are there other reasons why we support Israel? Absolutely. Some of them are probably not to our credit. But that doesn't mean the rhetoric enters into it not at all.
My my, you're feeling feisty today.

I hate rhetoric about 'freedom' because most of the people I've encountered are ill-prepared to define 'freedom' as a concept and when you get in on specifics they're entirely willing to curtail it all over the place for poorly thought-out security considerations or personal/religious preferences. It seems that for most people, 'freedom' means 'freedom to be like me and mine.'

I hate rhetoric about 'democracy' because democracy is a blatantly stupid form of government that was junked a long time ago. That the distinction between democracy and other forms of vote-based government aren't made leads to ignorance about the pitfalls of true democracy and idiotic reinventions of the concept.

I hate rhetoric about 'freedom and democracy' because it's simplistic and so often disingenuous. I understand full well that the best way to move a crowd is simplistic, emotive statements and that's necessary to get things done, but it's also distasteful.

So at a simple, gut level I hate hearing it tossed around because it's basically a blank slate of "We're doing this for whatever you think is good and right!" It's advertising at work.

Now, having a representative government has very little bearing on whether we support a nation, and I'd argue that our support of Israel comes far more from a mixture of Cold War politics, personal sympathies, and political ties in our system, and the 'sole democracy' business is at best a cherry on top.

As the article itself points out, selling things on 'freedom and democracy' kneecaps us straight out of the gate because it's so easily refuted by counterexamples of all the various times that we've gotten into bed with the unpleasant folks because it serves our national interest. Hell, where do you think that cynical/nihilistic streak of modern society that you hate so much comes from?
You'd prefer we pretend it's about what exactly? At risk of a tautology, our national efforts are in pursuit of our national interests, which does not always, but does sometimes dovetail with such notions as the spread of freedom. If you find the reconstruction of Germany and Japan (both done for solid realpolitik reasons brushed heavily with freedom and democracy rhetoric) "stomach churning", then I suppose you're free to hold such an opinion. Or if you're restricting it to such cases as we've done not-nice things, like supporting the House of Saud, Pinochet, etc, then I hasten to ask how exactly it's the rhetoric that pisses you off?
If you haven't noticed by now, I'm not fond of pretense. So I wouldn't care to pretend that it's about anything that it's not, see?

"If it's a lie then we fight behind that lie, but we gotta fight!" in the words of the sage Slim Charles. Like I said, it's what moves the world, but I don't care for lying. Sure, good things can come from it, but that doesn't make the process of constructing and employing it any more pleasant. Also as stated previously, it weakens everything when the lie is blown.

Take Afghanistan. We went in and kicked it over because they were harboring the folks that perpetrated 9/11. That really should've been enough of a reason in and of itself. But we had to gussy it up with bringing freedom and democracy to the benighted 'eathen, and now we get that slapped back in our face because we're blatantly propping up a corrupt regime long enough to 'retreat with honor' Nixon-style. Again, this is one of the places that modern cynicism comes from.