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#1 Newt Gingrich wins South Carolina

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Newt Gingrich defeated Mitt Romney today to win today's South Carolina primary, boosted by a fiery debate performance this week that deflated the former governor's front-runner status overnight.

Rick Santorum will place third and Ron Paul will be fourth first-in-the-South contest.

Propelled by voters who were heavily influenced by the pre-primary debates, and a strong evangelical showing, Gingrich claimed a landslide victory, winning virtually every county in the Palmetto State save for a handful that went to Romney.

"It's not that I am a good debater," Gingrich said in his victory speech tonight, surrounded by his family and an enthusiastic crowd of supporters. "It's that I articulate the deepest-felt values of the American people."

Praising all three of his rivals, Gingrich, who made more than $3 million in 2010, per his tax return, repeatedly berated Washington and New York "elites."

In his concession speech, Romney congratulated the former House speaker but not without some underhanded jabs.

"When my opponents attack success and free enterprise they are not only attacking me, they are attacking every person who dreams of a better person. He's attacking you, I will support you I will help you have a better future," Romney said, hinting at a new line of attack that the campaign is likely to adopt going into Florida.

While Gingrich was never mentioned after Romney's opening line, a good chunk of his speech referred to the former speaker.

"The Republican Party doesn't demonize prosperity. We celebrate success in our party," he said. "And let me be clear, if Republican leaders want to join this president in demonizing success and disparaging conservative values, then they're not going to be fit to be our nominee."

The enthusiastic crowd chanted "We Need Mitt! We Need Mitt!" as he spoke.

Even though they trailed far behind the top contenders, the bottom two candidates showed no sign of dropping out.

"This is the beginning of a long hard slog," Texas Rep. Ron Paul said to cheers.

Santorum categorized the race as being "wide open." "Join the fight," he said to applause.

Gingrich trailed Romney by double digits just days ago. But that changed quickly after Gingrich's performance in Thursday's night CNN Southern Republican debate. The former House speaker was able to turn his biggest liability -- accusations by his second wife, Marianne, that he wanted an "open marriage" -- into an asset, drawing two standing ovations for assailing the media for bringing up the allegations.

The debate performance, in which Romney struggled to answer questions about his tax returns, injected fresh momentum into a campaign that, up until earlier this week, was overshadowed by Romney. Nearly two-thirds of Republican voters today cited debate performance as at least a somewhat important factor in their vote and they favored Gingrich over Romney by a vast 50-22 percent, per exit poll results.

The late surge worked in Gingrich's favor. More than half of South Carolina voters decided whom to support in the past few days, according to exit polls, more than in either Iowa or New Hampshire and a much larger number than in 2008. Those voters went overwhelmingly for Gingrich by 44-22 percent.

Gingrich's win today is a significant blow to Romney, who lost two races this week. Santorum was declared the winner in Iowa after a voting error had initially handed that title to Romney.

The former governor poured more money than any other candidate into South Carolina, outspending Gingrich $1.9 million to $640,000. The two candidates' super PACs spent roughly the same amount -- nearly $3 million each -- in the Palmetto state on ads and mailers. But Romney was unable to sustain his lead.

Romney has struggled to maintain his initial front-runner status amid his reluctance to reveal his tax records, despite calls by even his surrogates urging him to do so. The controversy over Romney's experience at Bain & Co. also hurt him in the Palmetto State. Twenty-eight percent of voters saw it as a negative, a substantial number, especially when looking at the lower-income voters, among whom Romney got virtually no support.

Romney, 64, has said he will release his tax records in April despite calls from his rivals to do so immediately. Gingrich, 68, released his Thursday. The former governor, however, revealed that he paid a 15-percent effective tax rate in 2010, which is considerably lower than other Americans with comparable wealth. The lower tax rate was, in part, because Romney makes much of his money through investments and speaking fees rather than employment.

South Carolina is an important race in the Republican primaries. No candidate has ever won the GOP nomination for president without winning South Carolina since 1980, when it became home to the nation's first-in-the-South primary.

The evangelical vote was crucial in today's primary, more so than in Iowa and New Hampshire. Sixty-five percent of GOP voters in South Carolina today were evangelical Christians, compared with 57 percent in Iowa and 22 percent in New Hampshire. Thirty-six percent of the South Carolina Republican electorate also described themselves as "very" conservative and voted mostly for Gingrich.

As in Iowa and New Hampshire, the candidate attribute that voters were most concerned about was who could defeat President Obama in November, and even these voters favored Gingrich over Romney.

Concerns about the economy ran deep in South Carolina, where the unemployment rate is above the national average. An overwhelming 79 percent of voters said they were "very" worried about the direction of the economy.

The South Carolina Republican Party predicted a higher-than-normal turnout in today's primary. Turnout appeared to be mixed and varied throughout the state. It was, however, particularly heavy in Greenville, South Carolina's most populous county that has a history of favoring socially conservative candidates and voted in favor of Gingrich today. In 2008, Romney received only 17 percent of the votes in Greenville, a county that Mike Huckabee carried.

With Gingrich, Santorum and Romney all claiming a lead in one early state, analysts say the race is wide open.

The next Republican contest is in Florida, Jan. 31, where Romney has already poured millions of dollars on television advertising and on-the-ground efforts.
filibustercartoons pretty much covers some of my thoughts here, however he doesn't reach my volume of utter dismay towards my brothers and sisters in Christ... Apparently our character no longer matters, only what formulas we mouth on stage. I can only say this increases my feelings of isolation and confusion as I am increasingly made to feel a curio and relic by the very groups of people who claim to share my values and beliefs. I'll talk about this elsewhere since I'm sure y'all rather talk about other things, moving on.

With Gingrich grabbing S Carolina in a mighty upset, this has become a 3 horse race. Santorum who has Iowa, Romney in New Hampshire and now Gingrich with his bastion in the south. All three of these men now grimly stride to Florida, knives in hand to fight it out. In short, Romney must carry a state in the Republican heartland, or it'll look as if he is an out of touch elitist trying to impose himself (or be imposed) on the GOP. Of course, in alot of ways he is an outsider that is being imposed on the base. Mormon, wealthy, with a history of working with liberals in the Northeast, a land the tea party likely considers one of the very lairs of the enemy (a place where even the Republicans will vote to legalize gay marriage! Horrors!). With years of work and millions of dollars Romney can only convince 1 out of 4 of Republican primary voters to pull the lever in his favor. In short, I can no longer consider him a front runner.

Meanwhile in the Southern home of the GOP, it seems that the tea party has settled for Gingrinch, the ideological grandfather so to speak of the movement. He has gained the endorsement of Perry and Palin, both perhaps hoping to play beauty to his beast. He has struck all the right notes, hammering at Washington elites (ironic considering the speaker ;) ) calling out the rich (nevermind his paycheck) and waving the flag (he never went to Veitnam using his status as a student and father to gain deferments). He presents the perfect image and tone. Poor Santorum, awkward, openly loathed by massive parts of the general public and having only an earnest belief in own aging creeds just isn't trendy or showy enough.

This logjam is frankly the most amusing primary I've seen yet, and I always enjoy watching dirty and frankly awful politicians set each other on fire.

That said, 3 way ties cannot last forever, Florida votes on the 31st and one way or another we will the tie broken (unless Ron Paul wins in which case it is likely that Nitram and Tev in West Virginia will hear me howling in laughter all the way from Arizona).
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#2 Re: Newt Gingrich wins South Carolina

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frigidmagi wrote:That said, 3 way ties cannot last forever, Florida votes on the 31st and one way or another we will the tie broken (unless Ron Paul wins in which case it is likely that Nitram and Tev in West Virginia will hear me howling in laughter all the way from Arizona).
I think most of the GOP establishment can hold their noses over the thought of Romney, but Ron Paul is definitely a step way past the pale for most. After all, he wants to destroy what they want to protect - Romney, despite not really being personable, would sign his name and write down what is expected of him by the GOP establishment. Paul certainly would not.

That said though... from people I've spoken with and from the reactions to this I've been reading, this seems to be far less about character with Newt (unsurprisingly) - he's getting picked because the audience thinks that he can do to Obama in a debate what he keeps repeatedly doing to the other candidates - loudmouthed bullying disguised as debate.

Sadly, I think this says more about people's perceptions of intelligence than understanding of it - most of the people seem to be of the "yeah, he SHOWED THE OTHER REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES LIKE HE'LL SHOW THAT NO-GOOD OBAMA" opinion, without really stopping to think about the consequences of throwing one's support behind a person such as this.

I will say this though - FOX news has the "aggrieved and wounded indignation" tone down perfectly. People I've spoken to about Newt, when I ask them about his ethical issues that are on record, the immediate response is to decry the media for besmirching his character of such a fine individual.
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This has been a crazy-ass primary. At least they're sticking to known players now instead of dredging up a new front-runner every week.

What I care about most is that Perry's out. I don't know which state I despise enough to wish him off on, there possibly isn't a state that I have that much loathing for. So maybe we can just internally exile him to the Houston city limits for the rest of his days. They deserve each other.
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no, not the city limits.

Put Perry right smack int he middle of Houston. He's a perfect match for that hell hole of a town....
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Dark Silver wrote:no, not the city limits.

Put Perry right smack int he middle of Houston. He's a perfect match for that hell hole of a town....
Rick Perry walks into a bar after getting his ass handed to him in a debate. He decides to get a good stiff drink while he tries to remember which cabinet positions he wants to eliminate, and if he wants to get rid of the cabinets in the kitchen or in the bathroom.

While he's sitting there, he sees an attractive young woman at the other end of the bar, so he beckons for the bartender. "Bartender, get that lady another one of whatever she's drinking."

"That's not a good idea, sir."

Perry frowns. "I told you to get her another one of whatever she's drinking."

"I'm telling you sir, that's not a good idea."

Perry thumps his fist on the bartop. "Do you know who I am? I'm Rick Perry, governor of the motherfucking state of Texas, and I'm telling you to get that woman another one of whatever she's drinking."

Bartender leans over. "Governor Perry, that woman is a lesbian."

Perry gets up in the bartender's face. "I don't care what country she's from, you get her another drink."
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New polls ahead of the Florida Republican primary show Newt Gingrich’s surge wasn’t limited to South Carolina. He has pulled ahead in the Sunshine State since earlier this month when Mitt Romney appeared to have a commanding lead.

A poll by Rasmussen Reports of likely GOP primary voters taken Sunday, a day after Mr. Gingrich’s decisive win in South Carolina, showed Mr. Gingrich with 41% support, Mr. Romney with 32%, Rick Santorum, 11%, and Rep. Ron Paul, 8%. The survey, with a margin of error of four percentage points, also showed that 9% of likely voters remain undecided a little more than a week ahead of the Jan. 31 primary.

An Insider Advantage poll for Newsmax showed similar results, with Mr. Gingrich ahead by eight percentage points. Mr. Gingrich drew the support of 34% of the registered Republicans polled, while Mr. Romney had 26%. Mr. Paul had the support of 13% and Mr. Santorum, 11%

Public Policy Polling is also conducting a Florida poll. The polling firm said on its Twitter account, “First night of our Florida polling: Romney and Gingrich are neck and neck.
Frankly I'm almost tempted to support Gingrich for the sole reason that I don't think any of the other candidates (Obama included) would support my plan to have both a wife and mistress on a geostationary space station made out of nanotubes and tax cuts, and hardened against the insidious effects of Chinese EMP by thick, insulating spheres of corn slurry. It just wouldn't feel right if I didn't vote according to my own self-interest in this case, since I've condemned working-class conservative voters for failing to do the same on many occasions.

...That being said I think Newt will be the most likely candidate to kick off some sort of race war with his rhetoric about a "food-stamp America" led by a "food-stamp president" set in opposition to a pure, genuine, capitalist America.

EDIT: You know, when you combine Newt Gingrich's love of space with his love of child labor it makes you wonder if "Ender's Game" is his political manifesto in the same way that "The Road to Serfdom" might be Ron Paul's.
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Derek Thunder wrote:...That being said I think Newt will be the most likely candidate to kick off some sort of race war with his rhetoric about a "food-stamp America" led by a "food-stamp president" set in opposition to a pure, genuine, capitalist America.
I really don't think the GOP establishment expected him to last this long, or garner this much of the spotlight. I'd be very interested to see what happens at Florida.
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Frankly I'm almost tempted to support Gingrich for the sole reason that I don't think any of the other candidates (Obama included) would support my plan to have both a wife and mistress on a geostationary space station made out of nanotubes and tax cuts, and hardened against the insidious effects of Chinese EMP by thick, insulating spheres of corn slurry. It just wouldn't feel right if I didn't vote according to my own self-interest in this case, since I've condemned working-class conservative voters for failing to do the same on many occasions.
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Back when Newt's campaign staff resigned en masse when Newt took a vacation in the middle of the race, I thought Newt was toast. Sure the race was full of people no right thinking person would put anywhere near political power, but even with opposition that weak he was still Newt and his staff had just bailed on him.

I was, of course, wrong. While at some level I understood what a pathetic gang of incompetents the so called Republican presidential candidates represented, they did seem to be the type to appeal to the Republican base. Well, it looks like on some level the Republican base understood it was getting a bunch of fifth rate weaklings . . . and Romney who they didn't want (and Huntsmen who had no money). So Newt was able to crawl back into the race, using his talent for hate mongering, vitriol, and his relish for vicious political battling that were well honed tools back in the 90s as well as hooking into the "anyone but Romney" vote that had already ridden and discarded other candidates as far as it could.

I don't know what's going to happen now, but Newt is fucking toxin to undecided voters and has been for twenty years. That isn't easily shrugged off. He's also hated by the Democrats the same way that Hilary is hated by the Republicans. Hell, he's hated by some Republicans more than they hate Hilary. It's going to be an interesting ride.
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