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#1 Libya, the west gets off it's ass.

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:13 pm
by frigidmagi
CNN
Hours after French, British and American military forces unleashed cruise missiles and fighter jets, a defiant Moammar Gadhafi said Libya will fight back against undeserved "naked aggression."

A coalition that includes Canada and Italy made good Saturday on international warnings to Gadhafi, hammering Libyan military positions in the first phase of an operation that will include enforcement of a no-fly zone.

More than 110 Tomahawk missiles fired from American and British ships and submarines hit about 20 Libyan air and missile defense targets in western portions of the country, U.S. Vice Adm. William Gortney said at a Pentagon briefing.

The U.S. will conduct a damage assessment of the sites, which include SA-5 missiles and communications facilities. A senior U.S. military official, who was not authorized to speak on the record, said the missiles landed near Misrata and Tripoli, the capital and Gadhafi's stronghold.

The salvo, in an operation dubbed "Odyssey Dawn," was meant "to deny the Libyan regime from using force against its own people," said Gortney, who declined to detail future operations.

U.S. Navy photos showed flashes of light and smoke funnels as missiles soared from a destroyer into the night sky.

Earlier, French fighter jets deployed over Libya fired at a military vehicle Saturday, the country's first strike against Gadhafi's military forces, which earlier attacked the rebel stronghold of Benghazi.

Prime Minister David Cameron said late Saturday that British forces also are in action over Libya. "What we are doing is necessary, it is legal and it is right," he said. "I believe we should not stand aside while this dictator murders his own people."

While there were no U.S. warplanes flying over Libya late Saturday, the coalition was softening Libyan positions before enforcing a no-fly zone, Gortney said.

Gadhafi, speaking early Sunday on Libyan state TV, said the U.N. charter provides for Libya's right to defend itself in a "war zone." Weapons depots will be opened so that people can arm themselves, he said.

"All you people of the Islamic nations and Africa, and Latin America and Asia, stand with the Libyan people in its fight against this aggression," Gadhafi said.

A Libyan government spokesman said that instead of sending international observers to witness a cease-fire, the coalition of international allies chose military aggression.

Air attacks on several locations in Tripoli and Misrata have caused "real harm" to civilians, the spokesman said.

An eyewitness in Misrata said Gadhafi's forces are targeting fuel and power stations in an effort to make citizens believe the damage is being done by coalition forces. The eyewitness, who was not identified for security reasons, said people celebrated allied airstrikes on loyalist positions in the city. CNN could not verify the account.

Pro-Gadhafi forces subjected Misrata to heavy shelling, an opposition member said earlier Saturday.

Shortly after the first missile attacks, U.S. President Barack Obama informed the American people of the efforts by a "broad coalition."
"The use of force is not our first choice," the president said from Brasilia, Brazil. "It is not a choice I make lightly. But we cannot stand idly by when a tyrant tells his own people that there will be no mercy."

Obama reiterated that the Pentagon has no plans to deploy ground forces in Libya.

Obama is planning for the U.S. portion of the military action in Libya to only last for a few days, according to a senior administration official, who was not authorized to speak about sensitive military matters.

"In terms of the heavy kinetic portion of this military action, the president envisions it as lasting days, not weeks," the senior official said. "After that we'll take more of a supporting role."

Coalition partners say Gadhafi has failed to adhere to a United Nations resolution that imposed the no-fly zone and ordered him to stop attacks on civilians.

"He's clearly been on the offensive," the senior U.S. military official said of Gadhafi. "He said that he was going to do a cease-fire and he continued to move his forces into Benghazi."

A Libyan army spokesman said on state TV that "the crusader army has bombed fuel tanks."

The international show of force is much welcomed by besieged rebel forces who have called for backup to help them stave off a government offensive against their positions in Benghazi and other rebel-held enclaves.

An opposition spokesman in Benghazi said Gadhafi forces that assaulted the city earlier Saturday are now positioned outside the town. However, the forces are preparing for more attacks.

Earlier Saturday, Gadhafi issued defiant messages to international powers.
"I have all the Libyan people with me and I'm prepared to die. And they are prepared to die for me. Men, women and even children," Gadhafi said in a letter addressed to Obama and read to reporters by a government spokesman in Tripoli.

Obama, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Gortney used the term "unique capabilities" to describe the U.S. part of the coalition effort. Officials have said American military forces are meant to augment Arab, European and other Western troops.

In the next few days, U.S. military officials expect to hand over control to a coalition commander.

The French Defense Ministry said its attack aircraft being used to take out tanks and artillery have deemed Benghazi and the surrounding area an "exclusion zone."

The French said they are using surveillance aircraft and two frigates in the operation to protect civilians. The aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle will soon depart Toulon, France.

"Our air force will oppose any aggression by Colonel Gadhafi against the population of Benghazi," said French President Nicolas Sarkozy, speaking after an international, top-level meeting in Paris over the Libyan crisis.
Six Canadian CF-18 fighter jets are en route to an Italian base in Sicily and the HMCS Charlottetown will be in position to help with the naval blockade against Libya.

"America has unique capabilities, and we will bring them to bear to help our European and Canadian allies and Arab partners to stop further violence against civilians including through the effective implementation of a no-fly zone," Clinton said.

Sarkozy said Gadhafi still has time to stop its activities. As of Friday, France, Britain, the United States and Arab League nations passed along a warning for Gadhafi to stop his operations immediately.

But "Gadhafi has totally ignored the warning" and "in the last few hours his forces have stepped up their deadly offenses," Sarkozy said.

The international coalition meeting in Paris -- which included Western and Arab partners -- focused on how to take on a Libyan government bent on destroying the fledgling opposition movement under the U.N. resolution authorizing force to protect civilians against the Gadhafi government.
Herman Van Rompuy, president of the European Council, said the European Union is ready to give a "new Libya" economic help and aid in building new institutions.

In Rome, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's office confirmed to CNN that Berlusconi has proposed the use of the NATO base in southern Italy as a command center for allied action in Libya.

After Gadhafi forces earlier Saturday assaulted Benghazi, the opposition said the military repositioned itself far outside the city.

Earlier Saturday, incoming artillery rounds landed inside the city, and pro-Gadhafi tanks rolled into the town firing rounds, witnesses said. Plumes of smoke rose in Benghazi as civilians said buildings came under small arms fire. Many fled their homes in fear of a full-blown assault there.

A flaming fighter jet plummeted from the sky, nose-diving to the ground. Khaled el-Sayeh, the opposition military spokesman, said the plane was an old MiG-23 that belonged to the rebels.

As night fell over Benghazi on Saturday, the city became quiet and calm. While plumes of smoke could be spotted, the pro-Gadhafi tanks seen earlier were not in sight. El-Sayeh told CNN that "tens" have been killed in Benghazi on Saturday and opposition forces found 13 men clad in Libyan military uniforms bound and executed in a building that had been used by pro-Gadhafi forces to launch artillery assaults.

He said Gadhafi forces have withdrawn from the city and that they are now positioned 50 kilometers (31 miles) outside Benghazi on the road east to Ajdabiya. CNN could not independently verify those details.
In Tripoli, Gadhafi's supporters took to the streets.

Libyan state TV now showed images of pro-Gadhafi demonstrations, and broadcast pictures of fireworks by pro-Gadhafi demonstrators over the Libyan leader's military compound in Tripoli. On the streets in Tripoli, people were waving green Libyan flags and singing pro-Gadhafi songs.
Fighting has raged in Libya over the last day despite the government's announcement of an "immediate" cease-fire on Friday.

The declaration -- which came hours after the U.N. Security Council resolution authorized the use of force, including the no-fly zone -- was seen by rebels as simply a move to buy itself time.

Gadhafi -- in a separate letter addressed to Sarkozy, Cameron and U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon -- called the U.N. moves "invalid" because the resolution does not permit intervention in the internal affairs of other countries.

"Libya is not yours. Libya is for all Libyans," said the letter, also read by the spokesman. "You will regret it if you take a step toward intervening in our internal affairs.

Violence has raged in Libya following protests calling for democracy and freedom and demanding an end to Gadhafi's almost 42-year-long rule. It's a conflict spurred by anti-government protest and resulting regime violence against civilians -- which the U.N. resolution cites as "outrageous" and Sarkozy calls "murderous madness."

But Gadhafi defended his actions in his note to Obama. He said his opponents are from al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, the group's North African wing, and asked Obama what he would do if such an armed movement controlled American cities.

"Tell me, how would you behave so I could follow your example?"
The Col has called on all Islamic, Asian and Latin American countries to stand with him... Despite the Arab League being one of the groups to call for a No Fly Zone, the Latins not giving a damn outside of Chavez thinking he's losing one of his super friends and the Asians focused on making sure this doesn't happen in Asia.

I find it ironic that he claims that Obama would have done the same, I mean Obama's reaction has been to either ignore the tea party, or promise to work with the people calling him a communist fascist Muslim spy sent to destroy the country.

#2

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:36 pm
by General Havoc
I still say that "Odyssey Dawn" is a stupid name.

#3

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:30 pm
by White Haven
Given that secrecy about the existence and objectives of this operation are effectively pointless, this is one of those times when a vague, oblique operation name is sort of pointless. Just go ahead and call it 'Operation Stab Gadaffi In The Eye Over And Over Again,' or 'Operation Surprise, Tripoli, the Marine Corps Is Back,' or whatever.

#4

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:41 am
by B4UTRUST
General Havoc wrote:I still say that "Odyssey Dawn" is a stupid name.
Having been part of the military and had to follow some of these mission designators.. That is by far so not the worst one I have ever heard...

#5

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:32 pm
by General Havoc
It's marginally better than "Iraqi Freedom", but still rather tepid. Besides, Odyssey isn't an adjective.

#6

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:37 pm
by frigidmagi
I should note that we all in the field called "Iraqi Freedom" (God what a fucking jackass name, some PR hack came up with that) "Gulf War 2." Because you know... That's what it fucking was.

Course if I had named it, it might have been worse. Although I maintain that Operation Tank Murder has a poetic ring to it.

#7

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:11 pm
by Batman
From what I can tell, everybody else called it Gulf War 2 too (technically inaccurate as Gulf War 1 would have been the one between Iran and Iraq).

#8

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:31 pm
by Derek Thunder
How about "Operation open-ended military commitment with no forseeable end in sight, no concrete goals beyond the ouster of Gaddafi, and what seems to be no plan for the aftermath."

No, I guess that's something of a mouth-full though.

Edit: Before everyone craps their collective pants I'm not necessarily opposed to this intervention in principle, I just worry that we're getting ourselves into another expensive desert adventure.

#9

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:29 am
by General Havoc
I kinda prefer Operation Troll More, frankly, but the letterhead wouldn't look too good.

#10

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:37 am
by Derek Thunder
General Havoc wrote:I kinda prefer Operation Troll More, frankly, but the letterhead wouldn't look too good.
It may be hard to believe, but in this case my concern for our national interest is entirely genuine.

#11

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:30 am
by Dark Silver
It looks like Obama is making sure we don't commit a large amount of forces to the endeavor...but this intervention was necessary just on a humanitarian front.

The operation name is stupid though, i'll give them that.

#12

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:52 am
by White Haven
Hmm. The world did sorta troll the shit outta Gaddafi, after all. The whole thing dragged on and on, everyone kept letting things look like they were going to let him get away with it all, and then suddenly BAM.

Or that could have just been indecision, I suppose, but trolling at least makes it funny.

#13

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:47 am
by General Havoc
It takes time to pull an international coalition together, particularly one deploying the firepower that appears to be being brought to bear.

Still, I think we should have done this five days earlier.