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#1 Women Of The Wall Attacked By Ultra-Orthodox Haredim

Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 9:19 pm
by frigidmagi
Huffington Post
Thousands of ultra-Orthodox jeered, spit and threw rocks at the 400 'Women of the Wall' who prayed at the Western Wall today, according to the Jerusalem Post.

The women were protected by the police following a recent court order in favor of the Women of the Wall's right to pray at the sacred site.

The Women of the Wall praised the police and condemned the action by the ultra-Orthodox in a statement released to The Huffington Post:

For the first time in 24 years, Israel Police protected nearly 400 Women of the Wall today as they gathered at the Western Wall (Kotel). The women and the police were confronted by thousands of ultra-Orthodox (haredi), both young girls watching from the side and haredi men of all ages, acting out violently towards the group of women.
Women of the Wall is proud to have gotten to this historic point, in which women are praying freely, defended by the police. Likewise, the group is greatly saddened by the use of violence by haredi men. Women of the Wall calls on ultra-Orthodox leadership to denounce all forms of violence against women.

Rabbi Susan Silverman was present and told the Jerusalem Post that the ultra-Orthodox represent "A fundamentalism and a belief in a single and very narrow view of god that I believe is idolatrous."

More from Reuters:

Israeli police held back thousands of ultra-conservative Jews who tried to drive liberal women worshippers from Judaism's sacred Western Wall on Friday, marking a shift in the authorities' handling of a long-running religious schism.

Ultra-Orthodox protesters dressed in traditional dark clothing threw chairs and water at the women, then later stoned their buses. Two policemen were hurt.

Previously police detained members of Women of the Wall, a group challenging the Orthodox monopoly over rites at Jerusalem's Western Wall, for wearing prayer shawls in violation of Orthodox tradition.

This time police arrested five religious protesters instead.

The police response followed a court ruling last month that found that the group was not in violation of the law.

The issue is at the heart of a long struggle between a secular majority and an ultra-Orthodox minority over lifestyle in a country where institutions such as marriage, divorce and burial are controlled by religious authorities.

Dozens of border policemen formed a cordon to keep the protesters at the site - revered as part of the Biblical Jewish Temple compound - from charging at the approximately 100 women and some male supporters as they prayed.

"They're desecrating the site of our holy temple," shouted one of the hundreds of Orthodox women who also came to protest against Women of the Wall.

Yocheved Malachi called it shocking that women would wear prayer shawls or other religious gear, which Orthodox tradition reserves solely for men.

Friday's prayers were the first in weeks in which police avoided any showdown with Women of the Wall, whose members have been detained in the past and charged with disruption for violating Orthodox traditions at a holysite. They are seeking a greater role in prayer ritual.

"I'm seeing signs of progress," one woman worshipper, Lisa Kainan, said about the police presence at the site.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has asked former cabinet minister and Jewish leader Natan Sharansky to seek a compromise to permit the Women of the Wall to hold prayers without exacerbating tensions with the ultra-Orthodox Jews.

Sharansky has since proposed a formula to widen a separate zone at the Western Wall once designated for egalitarian prayer, a suggestion neither side nor the government has yet embraced.

Also spurring Israel's drive to resolve the dispute is the growing support for the Women of the Wall movement among Jews in the United States, Israel's main ally.
Really guys? Really? This is not how we deal with disagreement in a civilized society. We don't riot and try to mob some women because you can't handle the idea of a woman taking a role other than the ones you're comfortable with. Someone explain to them that while they're free to pursue their own paths the rest of society is under no constraint to conform to their wishes. It's kind of a thing.

#2 Re: Women Of The Wall Attacked By Ultra-Orthodox Haredim

Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 10:31 pm
by frigidmagi
Okay... Talking with my roommates I found out it's possible that not everyone knows what the western wall is... Let me give a brief blurb.

The Western Wall, aka the Wailing Wall is believed to be the last remaining part of the Temple Complex (it is believed to the western wall of the outer courtyard if I remember correctly). It is one of the most, if not the most sacred spot in Judaism. Alot of people go to pray there. Now traditionally women and men are allowed to pray there, although the Orthodox believe they should be separated (in fact they set up screens). Additionally there are prayers men are allowed to do (reading from the Torah I believe, Havoc may know this better than me... ) as well as certain gear that is for men only.

The Women of the Wall not only read aloud from the Torah and wear the male gear, but they want to do it at the wall and be protected from violence and harassment and somehow this is a outrageous thing. While I would defend the Orthodox right to live and worship as they wish, my protest here is that they are trying to enforce their standards on another group and do not have that right. The Western Wall is not their special inheritance alone. God did not gift it solely to them. If there is any segment of humanity that he gave to as an inheritance... It would be all the Jews across the world.

I will note that the Muslims do not recognize the Jewish claims to the wall, but honestly this should be of no surprise to anyone.

#3 Re: Women Of The Wall Attacked By Ultra-Orthodox Haredim

Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 11:16 pm
by General Havoc
These people are fundamentalist shitbirds of the highest order, comparable with the Taliban or Jerry Falwell. Fuck every last moralizing riotous medieval psychopathic one of them with a dildo made of shellfish and pork bone. May they and Hamas consume one another in ritualist suicide and leave behind more oxygen for the rest of humanity. May they be cast from the Earth and nevermore return to blight the Jewish name. So says a Jew.