STGOD! OOC Thread.

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:03 pm

Squadrons are good. We are playing EMPIRE SCALE after all.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:38 pm

Alright, this is the final modification. Y'all understand? This is it.

We are going to squadrons for the ships. The numbers per squadron will be posted below and in the rules thread. We are adding one class of chips the heavy escort, which will be comparable to light cruisers. The issue is now dead. Deceased. Extinct. One with the Precambrian Era.

Heavy Escorts will cost 30pts.

Escorts 10 ships.
Heavy Escorts 10 ships.
Cruisers 6 ships.
Battleships 3 ships.

There will be no more changes to the costs or set up of units. You must all have your OOBs up by Friday or you're gone. I would like to take a moment to apologize to AcNut, he went and posted his OOB while the rest of us were quarreling and we've made extra work for him as a result.

We're dumping the Heavy Escort Class. Anyone else who comes to me wanting to discuss an adjustment in the navy rules will be shot.

Ezekiel · Post by **Ezekiel** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:16 pm

Everything everywhere is crazy right now. I'm bowing out.

Glory to the Shogun!

(I hope to return for a different game sometime)

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:43 pm

Sorry to see you go Zeke. Especially since we finally got the good part started to. You'll be welcome in any other games.

Okay a bit of change there.

Charon has been promoted to full time mod.

Darksilver remains the last ditch mod.

Cat is now an alternate mod. I have one more guy to ask.

Charon · Post by **Charon** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:14 pm

*looks up*

I'm full-time now? 'k.

*Goes back to OOB making*

Steve · Post by **Steve** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:28 pm

Basic OrBat up, but I might need to tweak with it, especially given some questions I have about forts and what would be going too far.

Hadrianvs · Post by **Hadrianvs** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:43 pm

Question: When I upgrade my industry and/or infrastructure, do my naval and air reserves go up accordingly? The rules seem to imply that they do, but they don't say it. Presumably one would get the points upon completion of the upgrade and use them to buy stuff that gets shunted into the reserves once it finishes building? Or am I hallucinating from staring at the rules too long?

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:46 pm

Your reserves do not go up. You can build units and designate them as reserves if you wish however.

Hadrianvs · Post by **Hadrianvs** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:52 pm

frigidmagi wrote:You can build units and designate them as reserves if you wish however.

Is there any point in doing that?

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:57 pm

Hadrianvs wrote:
frigidmagi wrote:You can build units and designate them as reserves if you wish however.
Is there any point in doing that?

Unless you do so at half cost, I doubt it.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:00 am

How about we do that then? Reserve units will be half cost to build?

Hadrianvs · Post by **Hadrianvs** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:04 am

frigidmagi wrote:How about we do that then? Reserve units will be half cost to build?

Whoa, I got exactly what I wanted by not asking for it. I should try that more often.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:05 am

As long as we make it so once reserves are activated you cannot build reserve units, that seems somewhat reasonable.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:06 am

Also seems a good idea. I'll throw that in.

Hadrianvs · Post by **Hadrianvs** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:16 am

"You couldn't pay me to watch that sweetened kiddie crap Jon, that's what the wife is for. Now if some sort of demon came out and they had to fight it, that might be interesting."

Jon scoffed, "A demon? Wouldn't be a very family-friendly movie then, would it?"

Guess why Sleeping Beauty is my favourite classic Disney movie?

Steve · Post by **Steve** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:25 am

Maleficent is one of Disney's best baddies, I agree.

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:17 am

A Short History of the Modern Hungarian State

The turning point in Hungary's history from that of a medieval kingdom to that of a modern state would be the reign of Matthias Corvinus and the securing of the beginnings of a modern state including the greatest secular library in all of Europe and a large, professional army loyal to the crown passing to a strong successor.

Matthias Corvinus, son of the famous Hunyadi Janos, would end up winning the Hungarian crown after a turbulent and bloody internal struggle. Confronted with disputes with Germany and Poland as well as internal problems and the ongoing menace of the Ottoman Empire, Corvinus had his hands full. His successes on and off the battlefield would reinforce Hungarian claims on Bosnia and Serbia while repelling Polish and German claims to his crown.

With the formation of the mercenary Black Army of Hungary and playing divide and rule among his barons, Corvinus's position was stronger than ever. Alliances with the dukes of Saxony and Bavaria helped undermine the Hapsburg position, a situation that would have serious repercussions in the future. The bulk of Corvinus's attention was directed south, against the Ottomans, where he enjoyed considerable support from his vassal and relative by marriage Vlad III, voivode of Wallachia.

Upon Vlad's assassination, Wallachia was drawn more into the Hungarian sphere was the Hunyadi's own Wallachian background and battlefield success made them very popular. Corvinus's modernizing efforts within the country and his military campaigns did result in high taxation, but it left a strong nation behind upon his death in 1490.

His son, Janos, by his wife Queen Catherine, inherited the throne. Janos would continue his father's modernizing ways and, like his father, was an admirer of the achievements of the Italian Renaissance. Janos would continue in his father's footsteps and work to reduce the power of the great magnates and centralize power under the crown while protecting personal liberty in order to use the commons as a weapon against the magnates. The dynasty would continue to enjoy good relations with the Romans, with the exception of the occasional bloody border dispute. The Bohemian holdings of the dynasty would eventually encompass all Czech and Slovak territories and Rumania would go from a vassal state to a fully integrated part of Greater Hungary.

The next two hundred years were dominated by bloody struggles and shifting alliances against the Ottoman Empire as Poland, Russian, and the New Romans alternately joined with the Hungarians against the Ottomans or fought over territories. Hungarian power waxed and waned during this period (most famously during the siege of Budapest), but always recovered. As the Ottoman Empire was eventually ground down, the Hungarian monarchs turned their attention back towards creating a powerful, progressive, modern state.

The Hungarian constitution guarantees minority rights and is generally upheld. Hussites and Roma fought in the armies in Matthias Corvinus and Vlad III respectively and policies protecting those minorities in return for military service were put into place. Later policies of universal education (in Hungarian, with classes for teaching additional languages) and universal conscripton into mixed nationality units would act to promote national unity.

Religiously, Greater Hungary has no official religion although Catholics make up the largest number of believers. There are significant Orthodox and Protestant minorities as well as Jews, Muslims, and Roma. Religious minority rights are protected. The 1800s lead to increasing secularization of the nation as well as industrial development, particularly along what is now known as the Danube Industrial Corridor.

Politically, Greater Hungary is a fairly stable multiethnic society and a Constitutional Monarchy. A Prime Minister and Cabinet chosen from the majority party of Parliament in theory act on the policies set forth by the crown, but the balance of power has begun to tilt in favor of the the elected representatives. Hungary has a constitution that has generally been followed in the modern age that grants its subjects most of the rights and privileges enjoyed by other modern nations.

Slacker · Post by **Slacker** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:37 am

CC, we should probably talk about the history our two nations have...because honestly it seems like there's a number of cultural and political similarities. Maybe parallel developments in Budapest and Danzig reinforce each other and result in both states evolving into stable multi-ethnic constitutional monarchies? I'll be on AIM this afternoon, DaSlacker22.

Steve · Post by **Steve** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:13 pm

CynCat, did you write that when Hav was going to have Rome save Constantinople or does it reflect that it wasn't saved and was instead regained a couple hundred years later after over two centuries of slow Roman gains against the Turk?

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:33 pm

Steve wrote:CynCat, did you write that when Hav was going to have Rome save Constantinople or does it reflect that it wasn't saved and was instead regained a couple hundred years later after over two centuries of slow Roman gains against the Turk?

Last I saw, Havoc saves Constantinople in 1453. Realistically, its a delay unless other setbacks occur for the Ottomans, which is where the rest of us join the party.

Steve · Post by **Steve** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:49 pm

No, he changed that after writing it. I talked him into a two-centuries long reclamation of Greece and Anatolia that culminates in the 1680s with the Reconquest of Constantinople in an epic war and series of battles where Rome, Poland, and I imagine Hungary as well all take bites out of what was left of the European side of the Ottoman Empire. Russia and Rome then finish them off in Asia Minor.

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:55 pm

Steve wrote:No, he changed that after writing it. I talked him into a two-centuries long reclamation of Greece and Anatolia that culminates in the 1680s with the Reconquest of Constantinople in an epic war and series of battles where Rome, Poland, and I imagine Hungary as well all take bites out of what was left of the European side of the Ottoman Empire. Russia and Rome then finish them off in Asia Minor.

I don't see a reference to that anywhere. Link?

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:58 pm

Just to clarify, since all OOBs and placements are kind of nebulous at this point, this week is just sort of a "first post" sort of week, no moving things forward two months, right?

Hadrianvs · Post by **Hadrianvs** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:38 pm

Cynical Cat wrote:I don't see a reference to that anywhere. Link?

There are only bits and pieces of the discussion on the forum. Most of it was held in a chat, and I apologize on behalf of all participants for neglecting to share it with you. Basically it was decided it would be more epic and realistic to let the Ottomans become nearly as big a threat as they were historically, so Mehmet II captures Constantinople in 1453, and the Turks keep getting bigger and more dangerous well into the 16th century. Obviously this time around Hungary manages to hold strong. Maybe our Siege of Vienna will instead be the Siege of Buda. That would be suitably awesome, but it's up to you since that's your territory.

European powers then spend the second half of the 16th century plus the entirety of the 17th rolling the Turks back in a slow, bloody, grind. Excepting the occasional pauses to catch their breath, or fight each other. This all culminates in the Great Turkish War, which starts and ends later than the war that bears that name in our timeline. Said war is finalized with the capture of Constantinople in the early 18th century, during Peter the Great's reign, and leaves the Ottomans with most of Anatolia, the upper part of Mesopotamia, some of the Levant, and a bit of the Caucasus.

With the Ottomans no longer being a unifying threat, and the strain of the war having taken a heavy toll on the population and economy, the Romans begins to come apart at the seams. Which eventually leads to a series of civil wars through the later parts of the 18th century.

The Ottomans are finished off during Empress Elizabeth I of Russia's reign, when she decides to free the Georgians and Armenians from the Turkish yoke. The Romans opportunistically join in from the other end, hoping that a short victorious war will help restore social order. So do the Persians toward the end of it to keep the Russians out of Mesopotamia. The Last Turkish War isn't quite as short or victorious as hoped, but the Ottoman Remnant is crushed entirely and divvied between Russia, Rome, and Persia.

I'm sure there's been several wars in the area since mid-18th century which have shifted the borders around in one direction or the other, but the situation in Anatolia in 1930 has been more or less the same for nearly 200 years now.

General Havoc · Post by **General Havoc** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:41 pm

Unfortunately, Hadrianvs, I remember that discussion a bit differently than you do. I don't really have the time to delve into it now, but my recollection was that the Turks' last stand was not in Constantinople, but in central Turkey, and it took place in the 1700s. I needed at least two centuries thereafter or else it would not make sense for my Empire to be established in the way that it is, with the Turks having had sufficient time to gain Senatorial status, wide-franchise, and eventually a consulship.

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