STGOD?

Slacker · Post by **Slacker** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:27 pm

I've spoken with Steve, and I'd be interested in running the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth,or at least the early 20th century descendant of it. It'd cleverly explain a liberal Germany, as Prussia would be taken out of the picture. I'm figuring the commonwealth around its 1648 borders, I'd use the Cossack Revolt as a POD.

rhoenix · Post by **rhoenix** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:35 pm

I'm holding off for any rules changes before I start mapping out what I have in mind for the Nippon Protectorate, as it sounds like several key aspects need discussion and fine-tuning first. In the meantime, I'll be working out their history and such.

KlavoHunter · Post by **KlavoHunter** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:20 pm

Klavostan reappears in this place just as mysteriously as it disappeared from SDNWorld.

Steve · Post by **Steve** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:37 pm

Nein, NEIN. I must have Sulawesi!

J/K.

rhoenix, what about the rules do you think needs discussion and fine-tuning? I'm doing the same over at SDN.

(Also I'll note Ezekiel wants to finetune them his way if frigid allows it instead of using Thanas' proposal.)

rhoenix · Post by **rhoenix** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:38 pm

Steve wrote:rhoenix, what about the rules do you think needs discussion and fine-tuning? I'm doing the same over at SDN.

(Also I'll note Ezekiel wants to finetune them his way if frigid allows it instead of using Thanas' proposal.)

That's exactly it - Ezekiel wanted to finetune the rulesets, which will then inspire discussion and more fine-tuning. I can work on the history until all of that's done.

Steve · Post by **Steve** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:39 pm

rhoenix wrote:
Steve wrote:rhoenix, what about the rules do you think needs discussion and fine-tuning? I'm doing the same over at SDN.

(Also I'll note Ezekiel wants to finetune them his way if frigid allows it instead of using Thanas' proposal.)
That's exactly it - Ezekiel wanted to finetune the rulesets, which will then inspire discussion and more fine-tuning. I can work on the history until all of that's done.

Cool.

Dunno what Zeke wants to do in this game, unless he's going with the CSA/RRA, if so we'd need to talk to potential US, Canadian, and Mexican players (and British) to see about adapting our initial idea for North America's history into this world.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:26 pm

It is not my intention to force a rule set on the players, my hope is when Zeke presents his, everyone will be willing to discuss like rational adults and we can reach a consensus.

President for life of Klavostan wrote:Klavostan reappears in this place just as mysteriously as it disappeared from SDNWorld.

And where is Klavostan exactly?

Slacker wrote:I've spoken with Steve, and I'd be interested in running the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth,or at least the early 20th century descendant of it. It'd cleverly explain a liberal Germany, as Prussia would be taken out of the picture. I'm figuring the commonwealth around its 1648 borders, I'd use the Cossack Revolt as a POD.

Okay, Hadrianvs to give up Belarus and most of the Baltic states and you're asking CT to give up claims as well. Hadri, if you do give that up, we'll make sure you get land either in central asia or else where to balance it out. CT, I'm hoping you'll agree to this since you're claiming the Netherlands as a whole (I'm gonna want to see one hell of a AH explanation for that by the way). Discuss amongst yourselves or in thread and let us know okay.

Note your nations do not have to be happy about your compromises and this is STGOD not Sim City. You can regain the turf in game if you play canny and well. Course Slacker could end up taking large bits out of you instead...

Cat wrote:Greater Hungary for me. Hungary, Romania, and pieces of Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia.

Can you PM me which pieces you want Cat?

German Turtle of Doom wrote:Netherlands to Saxony (including Luxemborg and the german speaking parts of eastern france) and from the danish peninsula south through switzerland and western austria.

You're claiming Denmark and Switzerland!?! Okay, again I want one hell of AH for this Super Reich you're claiming, but that's cool, I'm gonna ask you to hold off on the French areas until we're sure we don't have a French player.

Zeke, I've marked out the Confederacy minus Missouri, West Virgina (honestly this is just me, I don't think the Confed could hold WV) and Kentucky. Given you Oklahoma as I assume you're running with letting Watie's coup win (if you don't know what I'm talking don't worry about it, it's a piece of Cherokee/Oklahoma history that isn't taught in most of the US let alone Europe). Are you gonna claim New Mexico?

I am working on the world map here guys so make sure to PM your claims as specifically as possible. Pictures are worth a thousand words.

Hadrianvs · Post by **Hadrianvs** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:41 pm

Slacker wrote:I've spoken with Steve, and I'd be interested in running the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth,or at least the early 20th century descendant of it. It'd cleverly explain a liberal Germany, as Prussia would be taken out of the picture. I'm figuring the commonwealth around its 1648 borders, I'd use the Cossack Revolt as a POD.

We have a bit of a problem in a Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth since we have both a Germany and a Russia in play. I was debating whether to include Poland in my Russia, but I do want the Baltics. They're shiny.

While we're on the subject of my Eastern border, the Prut river is the border between Russia and Rumania. There is no such thing as Moldova. And if anyone wants Belorus they're welcome to file a request with the Russian Imperial Army.

Comrade Tortoise · Post by **Comrade Tortoise** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:23 pm

You're claiming Denmark and Switzerland!?! Okay, again I want one hell of AH for this Super Reich you're claiming, but that's cool, I'm gonna ask you to hold off on the French areas until we're sure we don't have a French player.

Well, Denmark only so far as it is contiguous with Germany. IE. Jutland.

Switzerland I am happy to carve up, as the extreme southern portion might as well be Italy, and the far west speaks french.

However the portions of france I am requesting are basically Alsace and eastern Lorraine. Tiny portions of modern france.

Steve · Post by **Steve** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:26 pm

Comrade Tortoise wrote:
You're claiming Denmark and Switzerland!?! Okay, again I want one hell of AH for this Super Reich you're claiming, but that's cool, I'm gonna ask you to hold off on the French areas until we're sure we don't have a French player.
Well, Denmark only so far as it is contiguous with Germany. IE. Jutland.

Switzerland I am happy to carve up, as the extreme southern portion might as well be Italy, and the far west speaks french.

However the portions of france I am requesting are basically Alsace and eastern Lorraine. Tiny portions of modern france.

IOW territories traditionally as close to Germany as they were France. They were, in fact, part of Germany culturally and such until the 17th Century when France gained them.

As for this whole issue over the eastern frontier of Poland-Lithuania with Russia.... I'm laughing bitterly at the irony of how much a mirror reflection this is from what I just spent a week suffering on SDN.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:37 pm

While I am not necessarily looking to play, I would like to make a few suggestions that might help address issues of STGODs past.

Problem:
Some events happen so quickly that players do not have a chance to respond appropriately.

Problem:
Some events drag on for so long that it stalls the game for everyone

Possible solutions:
1. Limit the number of actions possible per day/week/month of realtime.
2. Determine how much game time passes per given period of realtime.
3. Limit the length of specific events to certain amounts of time. Actions should resolve relatively quickly to keep the game moving.
4. Allow for some leeway by request, but try to keep things moving

Hadrianvs · Post by **Hadrianvs** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:37 pm

Steve wrote:As for this whole issue over the eastern frontier of Poland-Lithuania with Russia.... I'm laughing bitterly at the irony of how much a mirror reflection this is from what I just spent a week suffering on SDN.

That's the entire history of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth for you. One endless border dispute with the Russians.

Comrade Tortoise · Post by **Comrade Tortoise** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:43 pm

Hadrianvs wrote:
Steve wrote:As for this whole issue over the eastern frontier of Poland-Lithuania with Russia.... I'm laughing bitterly at the irony of how much a mirror reflection this is from what I just spent a week suffering on SDN.
That's the entire history of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth for you. One endless border dispute with the Russians.

Yes. And you can hash out that border dispute in game, and have fun with it. Seriously, be reasonable and cede a bit of your already VAST territory so we can have a decent poland for the both of us to invade. ;)

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:45 pm

CT stay out of it. This for me and the two players to hash out.

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:24 am

I'm not to picky about the parts of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia. If other people want pieces of those countries I'm willing to compromise on territory.

rhoenix · Post by **rhoenix** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:52 am

Mine is becoming the Nation of Ten Thousand Islands. My land claims include the Japanese islands, Korea, Manchuria, Taiwan, Hainan, and the Philippines to begin with.

Steve · Post by **Steve** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:57 am

rhoenix wrote:Mine is becoming the Nation of Ten Thousand Islands. My land claims include the Japanese islands, Korea, Manchuria, Taiwan, Hainan, and the Philippines to begin with.

Heh, guess I'm locked into New Guinea only unless we get no British player (or one who lets me have Australia).

*grumbles incoherently*

actually, did I make it clear that I want hawaii? I can't recall if I posted such..... Wait, I did, didn't I?

rhoenix · Post by **rhoenix** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:12 am

Steve wrote:actually, did I make it clear that I want hawaii? I can't recall if I posted such..... Wait, I did, didn't I?

Frigid did, when he and I were discussing territory. Hawaii's yours.

Steve · Post by **Steve** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:39 am

When it comes to starting dates, may I suggest 1 January 1910? 1st Gen Dreadnoughts are around, maybe the biggest navies on their second ships of the class. Battlecruisers are just starting to turn Armored and Protected Cruisers into 10-15,000 ton floating targets. Oil is only beginning to hit its stride and begin to replace coal as the world's leading fuel. Aircraft are young, we could even replace the Air Focus score with something else if someone has a good idea.

Steve · Post by **Steve** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:50 am

To reiterate, my colonial claims:

Map for such:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/australi ... f_2007.pdf

All of modern Papua New Guinea, including Bougainville
The Caroline Islands
Wake Atoll
Midway Islands
Hawaii
Palmyra and Johnston Atolls
Kingman Reef
Howland, Baker, and Jarvis Islands
Samoa
New Caledonia
Western, Southern, and Southeastern Australia - specifically the modern day Australian states of Western Australia, South Australia, Victoria, and New South Wales, along with Canberra Capital Territory.

Hey, what can I say, I always try to colonize Australia as the USA in EU2.

Additionaly, with Magi's permission given their population levels and makeup and developmental level in this era, Alaska, Yukon, and the Canadian Northwest Territories are claimed as Colonies.

If others wish to oppose some or all of these claims, I am open to negotiation.

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:17 am

Greater Hungary

Includes Romania, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia

Population: 4

Home Territory: 3

Industry: 4

Economy: 4

Infrastructure: 4

Standing Military: 3

Navy: 2

Army: 3 (+2 from Industry)=5

Airplanes: 3

Reserves: 16% of population

Hadrianvs · Post by **Hadrianvs** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:49 am

rhoenix wrote:Mine is becoming the Nation of Ten Thousand Islands. My land claims include the Japanese islands, Korea, Manchuria, Taiwan, Hainan, and the Philippines to begin with.

China is going to be so much fun! We have the competing interests of the Taipings (who want all of China), the Qing (who want all of China back), the Japanese (who want most of china) and the Russians (who want a chunk of China).

I would really, however, prefer if Manchuria belongs to what's left of the Qing. That way we can have a proper fight over it. Our start date is just past the turn of the century; we might as well set the stage for a Russo-Japanese War, no?

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:04 am

We can discuss that when we actually have someone to play Qing.

Slacker · Post by **Slacker** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:24 am

Just to let people know that Scandinavia is pretty much off the board in claims.

I'll have a map with proposed borders available in a few hours, on my lunch break right now.

General Havoc · Post by **General Havoc** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:47 am

I'm considering joining this, and my tastes at present are leaning towards the classical...

I would like, if possible, to put down a reservation on Greece, Italy, the islands thereof, Tunisia, Cyprus, Western Turkey, Albania, and the Balearic Islands. I have not yet worked the numbers out on how to organize various things within this lovely nation, but I'm further considering (either as territory or colonies) expanding things to North Africa, Eastern Spain, Southern France, the Dalmatian coast, more of Turkey, the Levant, Palestine, and maybe even Egypt.

... I think you all can guess which Empire I intend to piece together.

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