Librium Arcana User Quotes thread.

[Hotfoot]

In which CynCat digs his own grave:

[04:16] Hotfoot: So I may be going to hell for my Witch Hunter game
[04:17] Imperial Feline: you know hell just means "underground place" right?
[04:17] Hotfoot: Well I'm already there then, but besides the point, the name of the adventure I'll be running is "The Favor of Boston's Saints"
[04:18] Imperial Feline: Dude, Boondock Saints is a moderately amusing action-comedy and that's it.
[04:20] Hotfoot: I will not be deterred! But in any case, I thought it would be fun to take the concept of killers with divine favor and apply it to Witch Hunter, where such a thing is actually the case.
[04:21] Hotfoot: The Father and the two Brothers are all Order of the Ashen Cross
[04:21] Imperial Feline: You're sick. Get help.
[04:21] Hotfoot: With the two brothers being Adventurers for the Dumb Luck perk
[04:21] Imperial Feline: Alan doesn't count as help.
[04:22] Hotfoot: No kidding
[04:22] Hotfoot: You know, Garvin would support me in this, I'm just saying
[04:23] Imperial Feline: Yes, but Garvin's in denial that he's a dirty pinko.
[04:23] Imperial Feline: When the revolution comes, as long as it calls itself right wing nationalist and carries the stars and stripes it will be supported by Comrade Soldier Garvin to the hilt.
[04:25] Hotfoot: I think his response to that may involve words punctuated with gunshots.
[04:25] Imperial Feline: Of course, because he's in denial.

[Cynical Cat]

You know you've fucked up when your escape plan revolves around a Segway.

[rhoenix]

I must admit my shame (about Mass Effect, and being at endgame with only 2.9 mil credits and 990 omnigel):

(7:38:23 PM) Hotfoot: You made Alan cry
(7:47:31 PM) steeleffigy: "cry?"
(7:47:34 PM) steeleffigy: I assume with laughter
(7:48:08 PM) Hotfoot: And shame
(7:48:21 PM) steeleffigy: what why?
(7:48:32 PM) Hotfoot: We told you the recipe for success
(7:48:38 PM) Hotfoot: And you failed
(7:48:41 PM) Hotfoot: FAILED :P
(7:49:01 PM) steeleffigy: yeah...
(7:49:36 PM) Hotfoot: HUBCAP OF SHAME!

[Hotfoot]

From tonight in the Great Barrows in Lord of the Rings Online:

Havoc is Aethria the Elven Hunter, I am Sogolin the Dwarf Guardian.

Sogolin: Okay, time to forge these two halves of a key together and get ready to defeat Sambrog!
Aethria: Oh, look at that, a chest, I think that deserves opening.
Sogolin: No, wait! We're all forging the key!
Aethria: Oh god, what was that? Oh god it's a horde of undead! Help! Help! This is not conducive to living!
Sogolin: I warned you! I warned you and still you went!
Aethria: I didn't know! How could I know?
Sogolin: You delved too far, too deep! Your greed got the best of you!
Aethria: Shut up! Shut the hell up!

I later opened that chest. There was beer inside it. I drank that beer, and it was delicious, like the irony of the conversation.

[Charon]

Wherein I go street on havoc.

IRWriter86: Yo yo yo, wassup?

genhavoc: Howdy man

IRWriter86: No foo'. You ain't speakin' right. Say it right dog.

genhavoc: Talking Agent FIsher through the process of making a gun-heavy Keldon

IRWriter86: Huh?

genhavoc: Dude.
genhavoc: I'm white. So are you.

IRWriter86: Pfft.
IRWriter86: Whateva.
IRWriter86: I'm street yo.

genhavoc:...
gehavoc: I hate you so much.

IRWriter86: Fuckin' crackas always be hatin'.
IRWriter86: Why you gotta be a playa hata?

genhavoc: I'll show you a playa hata

IRWriter86: Come on biatch. Show me whatcha got. *gets all up in this joint*

genhavoc: ...
genhavoc: Wow

IRWriter86: You're welcome.
IRWriter86: Wait, sorry. Almost forgot.
IRWriter86: *pops a cap in yo sorry white ass*
IRWriter86: I'm done. Promise.

genhavoc: I hate everything right now

IRWriter86: I live to make you hate.

[Hotfoot]

Over Skype:

Hotfoot: Well they were better than the one they added to the Return of the King, the animated version.
GenHavoc: Wait, which one was that-oh wait, I remember.
Hotfoot: Yeah, that one. I can sing it for you, if you like. The words will never leave my mind.
GenHavoc: If you do I will reach through the internet to strangle you.
Hotfoot: Oh I think that you would have done that by now if you could.
GenHavoc: I will be so furious I would find a way.
Hotfoot: Well you know where there could be a way?
GenHavoc: What is the way?
Hotfoot: Where there's a whip (wpssh) there's a way (wpssh)
GenHavoc: HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUGH!!!

[Dark Silver]

seelah_wow: you're not dead?
darksilver: nope, not dead yet. The rig that caught fire was 175 miles east of me
darksilver: I'm about 25 miles from where the Deepwater Horizon went down
seelah_wow: ok
seelah_wow: i wondered
darksilver: how you feeling hon?
darksilver: though I have to admit, you almost sounded disappointed when you asked me that...
darksilver: you know I wrote you out of the will when we divorced
seelah_wow: dufus
darksilver: -mutters-
seelah_wow: first of all, you never would do that...write me out i mean
seelah_wow: cuz you love me
seelah_wow: so hmph
darksilver: ....
darksilver: I hate it when your right..
seelah_wow: grins
seelah_wow: i know
seelah_wow: makes it more fun

No, I was never married, it all goes back to a old RPG she and I used to play in (our characters were married).

[Cynical Cat]

He chose a computer roughly as powerful as mine, but do you remember the choosing the chalice seen in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade? Let's just say Cameron chose poorly. He chose a flashy ruby encrusted gold chalice. Just as choosing the wrong chalice decreases life so to choosing the wrong case decreases life. I, on the other hand, chose an ebony and silver Necron Monolith.

[frigidmagi]

[16:44] magithis: Whooooo! My state isn't suing the government over Health Care!
[16:45] genhavoc: Yay!
[16:45] genhavoc: Your state is slightly less filled with idiocy
[16:52] magithis: Huh... Thank you?
[16:58] genhavoc: You're very welcome
[17:12] magithis: I find it ironic that a Californian is saying that to me though. Tell me how's your debt going again?
[17:13] genhavoc: About as well as your Hispanic Roundup
[17:15] magithis: So unsolvable and used for cheap threatics while the real problems slowly and surely crush every bit of life and hope from the system?
[17:16] genhavoc: yep

Havoc and I compare notes.

[B4UTRUST]

Havoc: Tell me... have you ever talked to anyone about these violent urges?
Me: All the time
Havoc: You have a lot of repressed anger
Cyncat: I repress nothing!

[Dark Silver]

rheonix and I discuss the latest in technological breakthroughs when it comes to waste heat

darksilver: we can turn a toaster into DA BOMB!
rheonix: nah, into a battery of sorts
darksilver: we can even make it a DIRTY BOMB if it's been used a couple of times...
darksilver: bah dum tsh
rheonix: *facepalm*

[Dark Silver]

darksilver: there are several things one simply cannot do in Life.....walk into Mordor, tempt the Dark Side, and cheer for Optimus Prime's death at the hands of Hot Rof
darksilver: *Hot Rod
Scottie: I cheered
darksilver: One cannot simply walk into Mordor.....but you can ride Optimus Prime into it
Scottie: so it can be done
darksilver: yes, but you're a sick bastard
Scottie: and your point?
darksilver: no point
darksilver: just making a general observation

[Hotfoot]

I'm beginning to wonder if I should just change my AIM icon to Dolph Lundgren.

[16:39] Hotfoot: Speaking of starships, I've managed to construct a Light Cruiser build for Rogue Trader that is, in a word, awesome
[16:40] GenHavoc: Oh?
[16:42] Hotfoot: Long range armament, frigate speeds baseline (though slightly less maneuving), the ability to, for brief periods of time, have ridiculous speeds, high protection from warp nonsense, very fast warp drive, high-grade navigational deflectors and shields, a teleportarium, and, to cap it all of, a fiercely loyal crew and an arboreatum. All on a 4.5km long "light" cruiser.
[16:43] Hotfoot: Oh, and pretty decent sensors
[16:45] Hotfoot: Oh, and the crew size is 65,000
[16:45] GenHavoc: If that's a light cruiser, I'm the queen of England
[16:45] Hotfoot: Well a standard cruiser is a full 5km with a crew of around 95,000
[16:46] Hotfoot: With double the broadside emplacements
[16:47] GenHavoc: I'd hate to see battleships
[16:48] Hotfoot: Oh, yeah, they're big
[16:48] Hotfoot: A frigate in 40K terms in 1.6 km
[16:48] Hotfoot: Or roughly the size of an ISD
[16:51] Hotfoot: Here, ignore the scale markings, you can get a basic idea of the relative sizes from tihs:
[16:51] Hotfoot: http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs30/f/2008/ ... gelord.png
[16:52] GenHavoc: FRIGATES ARE NOT BIGGER THAN DESTROYERS!
[16:52] GenHavoc: ADAMANTIUM RAAAAAAAAGE!
[16:52] Hotfoot: Oh I'm sorry, should we call them escorts instead?
[16:53] GenHavoc: We should call them RAAAAAAAAGE
[16:54] Hotfoot: Weren't Napoleonic Frigates nearly the size of ships of the line?
[16:54] GenHavoc: THAT IS NOT THE POINT SHUT UP I HATE YOU!
[16:55] Hotfoot: In fact, isn't true that Frigates have been renamed several times over the years by different navies?
[16:56] GenHavoc: LALALALALALALALALALALALA NOT LISTENING LALALALALALALA
[16:57] Hotfoot: And I'm sorry are we not in a setting in your game wherein damn near everything, regardless of size and/or role, is labelled as some kind of cruiser?
[16:57] GenHavoc: I AM A MAN! *Punch*

[rhoenix]

Yes, you too can find the right mate. Especially when guns are involved.

(6:24:32 PM) Batman: Meep?
(6:24:43 PM) rhoenix: yar
(6:25:06 PM) Batman: *sigh* Tasha Yar died in s1.
(6:25:25 PM) rhoenix: yeah, sucks to be her
(6:25:32 PM) rhoenix: at least they got rid of the blonde
(6:25:55 PM) Batman: You got someting against blondes?
(6:26:28 PM) rhoenix: more often than not, they irritate the living shit out of me due to playing up to the stereotype, whether they actually have the capacity for intelligence or not
(6:28:46 PM) Batman: Must be an american thing. Over here, they're generally ...women with blonde hair? In fact, our most famous mental blonde is actually a physical brunette.
(6:28:55 PM) rhoenix: heh
(6:29:01 PM) rhoenix: yeah, hopefully it's just an American thing
(6:32:07 PM) Batman: Don't get me wrong, the 'blond=stupid' cliche is alive and well over here too (unfortunately) but I have yet to run into a female blonde actually pandering to it.
(6:32:34 PM) rhoenix: entirely too many here do
(6:32:42 PM) rhoenix: putting appearance as higher priority than depth
(6:34:26 PM) Batman: Blonde does not equal pretty. Plenty of pretty black, or brown, or especially redheaded women out there. Plenty of ugly blondes too.
(6:37:20 PM) Batman: And not everybody is looking for a lifelong commitment. When all you're looking for are a few months of awesome sex and bragging rights, looks absolutely matter. For BOTH genders.
(6:38:45 PM) rhoenix: I didn't and won't claim that looks don't matter
(6:39:20 PM) rhoenix: I will say that treating looks as the one thing a person should focus on to the exclusion of everything else irritates me, and it irritates me more when I see people doing it en masse on purpose
(6:40:47 PM) Batman: Welcome to the human race. I hate to tell you but people have been doing that for thousands of yrars.
(6:40:51 PM) Batman: *years
(6:41:28 PM) rhoenix: that doesn't invalidate my point or my reasoning
(6:42:06 PM) rhoenix: if I had the choice between a heartbeakingly beautiful but vapid woman, and a reasonably pretty but intelligent woman, I'd pick the latter every single time
(6:45:23 PM) Batman: Unsurprisingly. Now let's replace the reasonably pretty but intelligent woman with a butt-ugly one. She's still vastly more intelligent than the vapid one. Which one do you pick?
(6:54:36 PM) rhoenix: neither
(6:58:59 PM) Batman: Not an option. You HAVE to choose.
(6:59:15 PM) rhoenix: then I choose neither
(6:59:32 PM) Batman: Not an option either.
(6:59:49 PM) rhoenix: well, it'd be the one I would choose
(7:00:18 PM) Batman: What makes you think you'd be allowed top?
(7:00:22 PM) Batman: *to?
(7:00:46 PM) rhoenix: if someone held a gun to my head and said "pick," I would stay silent then
(7:00:57 PM) rhoenix: is that clear enough?
(7:02:11 PM) Batman: Somebody holds guns to their heads and makes you pick.
(7:02:33 PM) rhoenix: so either one dies or they both die?
(7:02:52 PM) rhoenix: is that the choice in this scenario?
(7:04:15 PM) Batman: Since I very much suspect you would have picked the 'all three of us die' outcome if available, yes.
(7:04:26 PM) rhoenix: ok, since you
(7:04:42 PM) rhoenix: are making this up as you go in a desperate attempt to be right, by what matter would they be killed?
(7:05:10 PM) rhoenix: how far away are they, how would I see them, and what proof would I have that these nefarious individuals in this scenario are serious?
(7:05:47 PM) Batman: You just lost.
(7:06:05 PM) rhoenix: how?
(7:06:50 PM) rhoenix: you're reaching up your ass and into your colon already in your attempt to force this into a binary question
(7:07:44 PM) Batman: That's how theoretical scenarios work you know. That's why they're called theoretical.
(7:08:18 PM) rhoenix: as opposed to scenarios where you make shit up as you go along in a desperate attempt to be right?
(7:08:28 PM) rhoenix: if you want to do this properly, define the scenario
(7:09:10 PM) Batman: I already did. You just don't like having to make to choice.
(7:09:19 PM) Batman: *the choice
(7:10:21 PM) rhoenix: the very fact that you had to force this into a "OR THEY BOTH DIE LOL" scenario means you're not getting my point, and in fact are only supporting mine, actually
(7:10:49 PM) rhoenix: I have standards when it comes to women I date, and if I have to be forced by virtue of murder to choose a woman I would not otherwise pick, then your point becomes invalid
(7:11:24 PM) Batman: No it doesn't.
(7:12:10 PM) Batman: Congratulations, by the way, you just killed both of them.
(7:12:59 PM) rhoenix: ok
(7:13:19 PM) rhoenix: actually, by your own words, the people in the scenario killed them
(7:13:35 PM) rhoenix: either way though, I'm still single
(7:14:29 PM) Batman: This is relevant how?
(7:15:16 PM) rhoenix: because I never pulled a trigger or pushed a button - you had to force the scenario into one of false urgency
(7:17:06 PM) Batman: I'm reasonably certain you pushed a lot of buttons by now. And that's what 'what if' scenarios are about.
(7:17:20 PM) rhoenix: yes, they are
(7:17:40 PM) rhoenix: "what if" scenarios are clearly defined, with limits and standards - of which yours lacked all three criteria
(7:18:06 PM) rhoenix: tacking extra shit on in a desperately cloying attempt to be right only supported my point
(7:18:07 PM) rhoenix: so, thanks
(7:18:48 PM) Batman: They are most certainy not. 'What if' scenarios are whatever the person or perosns who came up with them designed them to0 be.
(7:18:54 PM) rhoenix: the point you made was that I would have to pick one of the two under duress, with the stipulation that both would die if I did not make a choice
(7:19:23 PM) rhoenix: you did not mention what would happen to the one I did not pick, what manner in which they would be killed, how far away from me and how visible they were to me
(7:19:44 PM) rhoenix: so basically, you're admitting to pulling shit out of your ass in a desperate attempt to keep this a binary choice
(7:20:50 PM) Batman: I'm reasonably certain I never denied making this a binary choice from the word go. YOU tried to wiggle your way out of it being one.
(7:21:27 PM) rhoenix: then what is wrong with not wanting to pick a woman I wouldn't want to date?
(7:22:19 PM) rhoenix: your scenario gave me the choice between a "butt-ugly" but intelligent woman, or a valid beuty
(7:22:21 PM) rhoenix: *Beauty
(7:22:25 PM) rhoenix: I would not date either one
(7:22:49 PM) Batman: What's wrong with answering a simple question?
(7:23:14 PM) rhoenix: ...my chatlogs clearly show that I did, complete with reasoning
(7:24:23 PM) Batman: You most certainly did not. Tzhe question was would you save the ugly but smart girl, or the beautiful but stupid one. You refused to answer.
(7:24:54 PM) rhoenix: then fine, I'd pick the smart but ugly one, and drop her off at the bus station on the way home
(7:26:45 PM) rhoenix: and that's only because you specifically changed this scenario from "which one would you date" to "which one would you not want to have killed the most"
(7:27:08 PM) rhoenix: which, I might point out, is a very different scenario, and completely loses the point of what we were discussing to begin with
(7:27:51 PM) Batman: I never changed the scenario at all. It was ALWAYS which one would you save.
(7:28:09 PM) rhoenix: ...except for right before you changed it, when it wasn't
(7:28:25 PM) Batman: A pity that never happened.
(7:28:25 PM) rhoenix: do you want me to copy and paste your own words to you?
(7:28:34 PM) Batman: By all means do.
(7:28:58 PM) rhoenix: (6:42:06 PM) rhoenix: if I had the choice between a heartbeakingly beautiful but vapid woman, and a reasonably pretty but intelligent woman, I'd pick the latter every single time
(6:45:23 PM) Batman: Unsurprisingly. Now let's replace the reasonably pretty but intelligent woman with a butt-ugly one. She's still vastly more intelligent than the vapid one. Which one do you pick?
(6:54:36 PM) rhoenix: neither
(6:58:59 PM) Batman: Not an option. You HAVE to choose.
(7:29:15 PM) rhoenix: you're welcome
(7:31:01 PM) Batman: You know what, you're right.
(7:31:16 PM) User Batman has logged off.

[rhoenix]

Drive letters - for great justice and 4chan.

(9:16:45 PM) Andrew: Something amusing I just noticed though.
(9:16:59 PM) steeleffigy: ?
(9:17:25 PM) Andrew: THere's this script I'm using to run the installs on these servers...it relies on mapping some shares from the IT file server to work right. Sometimes it fails if the letters it wants to use are already in use for something else.
(9:17:35 PM) steeleffigy: ...
(9:17:36 PM) steeleffigy: ugh
(9:17:49 PM) Andrew: I noticed a few weeks back that nobody ever tries to use the B drive as a share mapping, though...or anything else.
(9:18:22 PM) Andrew: So now I have a new "favorite customary letter to appropriate whenever I have to do this sort of thing."
(9:18:40 PM) steeleffigy: I'm beginning to think that's why 4chan named their scariest forum "B"
(9:18:53 PM) Andrew: LOL.
(9:19:11 PM) Andrew: I'm guessing for some reason people still have this dim collective memory of the days when the B drive was supposed to be the second floppy drive.
(9:20:17 PM) steeleffigy: it's like a deep genetic knowledge that things with big pointed teeth are scary and might eat you, except for geeks
(9:20:30 PM) Andrew: Exactly like that, yeah. ;-)

[rhoenix]

... I have no words. I really don't.

(4:16:46 PM) Batman: Or torrent, which I was hoping to avoid (no moral squabbles, trying to avoid malware).
(4:17:10 PM) rhoenix: well, make sure you have Spybot installed, then
(4:18:35 PM) Batman: That would certainly be among the first on my list (together with HijackThis!). So far though, Windows Defender seems to do an adequate job.
(4:20:33 PM) rhoenix: when dealing with torrents, "adequate" isn't
(4:21:30 PM) rhoenix: spybot routinely catches things Defender and MalWareBytes miss
(4:22:28 PM) Batman: Though I have to admit I'm pretty 'so what' about the whole issue. As long as my system remains stable and performant, whoever thinks it's doing them any good is welcome to whatever information they can glean from my system., which isn't goping to be much of consequence.
(4:23:32 PM) Batman: Yes, okay, so there's no p in going.
(4:25:34 PM) rhoenix: ok, its your system
(4:25:51 PM) rhoenix: I just find it annoying to have to reinstall windows more than once
(4:26:54 PM) Batman: As long as my system remains stable and performant, remember? I'd definitely consider the need to reinstall the OS a decided reduction in stability:)
(4:27:07 PM) rhoenix: indeed ;)
(4:31:30 PM) Batman: My point was there's simply no sensitive information to be had from my system. If they want them people are welcome to protocol my browsing habits all they like. I don't do online banking so there's no financial information on the PC. Plenty of porn. Big deal. I'm WAY over 18. The companies that could sue about me having pirated games are more or less collectively defunct.
(4:31:59 PM) rhoenix: you don't have any pirated music, movies, or TV shows, do you?
(4:38:08 PM) Batman: Lots of. One small problem: Have fun trying to prove I pirated it. Making copies for personal use is explicitely allowed under german law, so unless they can prove the TV show/movie/music comes from a source I WASN'T entitled to keep copies of, they're shit outta luck. And Valen help you if you found out I've got the stuff by means I never voluntarily and knowingly agreed to.
(4:38:50 PM) rhoenix: so if there's a search of your place, they'll find legitimate DVD's and such of all that you have "copied for personal use," right?
(4:39:35 PM) rhoenix: I'm just saying that spyware can be used for those purposes too
(4:39:48 PM) rhoenix: and there have been cross-country lawsuits already about such things
(4:40:01 PM) rhoenix: if you're okay with that, then great
(4:41:13 PM) Batman: They don't need to. If it was up on hulu or youtube, I get to keep a copy. If it was played on some online radio channel, I get to keep it. And unless I agreed to install the spyware you used to find out, have fun trying to make it stand up in court.
(4:42:12 PM) rhoenix: then if you can prove that all the things you have stored came from youtube or hulu, you have nothing to worry about
(4:42:53 PM) rhoenix: it can also be shown by IP's and unique ID's attached to torrents, which can be tracked with spyware (whether you agreed to install it or not), that you did download it from a torrent
(4:43:02 PM) rhoenix: if you have better lawyers than they do, then great
(4:43:11 PM) rhoenix: otherwise, it's your ass
(4:43:41 PM) rhoenix: I'm not saying all this to try to prove you wrong, I'm saying that if you plan on doing as you are doing, then you should more than "adequately" protect yourself
(4:48:55 PM) Batman: Spyware. Inadmissable information. Unlike in the US, I don't have to worry about court costs until it's over (loser pays rules are cool) and if they ilegallly installed software on my PC (and any software installed I didn't agree to WAS illegally installed) they're in for a world of hurt. Assuming it ever goes to court to begin with.
(4:52:53 PM) rhoenix: ok, then why bother running Defender at all?
(4:53:08 PM) rhoenix: with all those reasons you stated, you therefore have no reason to
(4:57:34 PM) Batman: Don't ask me. Ask Win7, which does it by default.?:) Also, while I don't think I have much to fear from media companies trying to sue, that doesn't mean I want that software on my PC if I can avoid it with reasonable effort, and there ARE people out there would would try to infect my PC out just because they can. Jut because I'm not particularly worried about legal consequences from the stuff being on my system doesn't mean I want it there, and if there's a built in tool to keep at least part of it out, why not use it?
(4:59:36 PM) rhoenix: given your own reasoning above, you're contradicting your own view on spyware - by your own admission, you don't care who tracks your browsing or computer use habits
(4:59:53 PM) rhoenix: spyware is different than viruses, which are an entirely different subject
(5:05:04 PM) Batman: Not caring much if and when they do isn't the same thing as approving of it. I'm not going to go out of my way to prevent it, but as there's a tool handily available to curb it with minimal effort on my side (as in going, 'Yeah, why not' whenever Defender wants to update) I see no reason for me not to use it. And it's a bit more complicated than spyware (snoopy but harmless) vs viruses (evil).
(5:06:11 PM) rhoenix: "complicated" in what way?
(5:10:23 PM) Batman: I take exception to pretty much everything that tries to edit the registry without my approval, especially if doesn't tell me it's doing it. Doing so doesn't necessarily make it a virus, as those changes aren't necessarily malevolent, but it's something I don't take kindly to.
(5:11:09 PM) rhoenix: ... you are aware that a common function to pretty much all applications on Windows is to edit the registry, right?
(5:11:25 PM) rhoenix: during installation only for the most part, but still
(5:11:56 PM) rhoenix: pretty much anything that uses an install wizard does
(5:13:03 PM) rhoenix: additionally, any program that might do so after installation is called "spyware" by default, because of its obfuscated nature
(5:13:33 PM) rhoenix: in short, I'm not seeing the additional "complication" of which you speak
(5:16:15 PM) Batman: The emphasis was on the 'without telling me so'. The moment I install something there naturally will at least be temporary registry changes. But if I install, I don't know, Quicktime Insertlatestversion, untill and unless I'm told so during installation (and preferably asked about during installation) it ALSO replacing my google toolbar with ask.com's is not something I look kindly to. Which ISN'T spyware (though it might work as a medium for), it's just software I never asked for in the firstplace.
(5:17:29 PM) Batman: I guess you could call something like that a really sucking at subtlety trojan.
(5:18:55 PM) rhoenix: so you would place such things in a separate category, alongside viruses and spyware?
(5:19:10 PM) rhoenix: if so, how would you define the categories, and why would they be in a triat?
(5:25:20 PM) Batman: A trojan can be either but does not need to be, and while I have yet to hear of one, might theoretically even be benevolent. (I guess all those backdoor GUI/OS upgrades MS used to do via their applications might qualify as that). Spyware is something that spies on my system, nothing more. A virus is trying to harm it and, depending on type, trying to spread across all of the and onto other systems. Both viruses and spyware can be trojans in that they piggyback on software introduced into a system.
(5:27:11 PM) Batman: As can pretty much everything else. Trojans aren't an actual type of software as such as pretty much anything that 'hides' beneath (usually) benign software (there's technically no reason you can't put a trojan on a known and recognized virus).
(5:29:48 PM) rhoenix: you're creating an arbitrary definition, as trojan programs are traditionally defined as "viruses"
(5:30:05 PM) rhoenix: whether benign or not
(5:31:16 PM) rhoenix: so unless you want to try arguing this point, how are you defining your "third category" other than "stuff I don't like that legitimate programs sometimes do, due to bad design?"
(5:31:24 PM) Batman: Because they usually are. But technically, a trojan merely means a program clandestinely piggybacking on another program.
(5:32:06 PM) rhoenix: close, but not quite - a trojan is traditionally defined as "a malicious program that masquerades as a legitimate one"
(5:32:39 PM) rhoenix: though it doesn't always exhibit virus-like behavior, its typically destructive nature is why they are traditionally defined as viruses
(5:33:12 PM) Batman: I'm reasonably certain I said as much.
(5:34:41 PM) rhoenix: what you said states that a trojan only acts as a typical virus, piggybacking on any executable
(5:34:54 PM) rhoenix: there is a significant difference
(5:36:22 PM) Batman: Fine, let me rephrase-a trojan is something that pretends to be (and often works) as a benighn executable while at the same time having malevolent subroutines. Happier?
(5:37:01 PM) Batman: *(and often works as) a benign executable
(5:40:13 PM) rhoenix: alright, so we can agree on the definition of "trojan" - are you still attempting to place them in a separate category than "spyware" or "viruses?"
(5:40:22 PM) Batman: And frankly, if any software sneaks in anything I didn't explicitely approve of (within reasonable limits, I naturally don't intend to ispect every line of code, especially as I wouldn't be able to make sense of it to begin with) I'd consider that a trojan.
(5:42:28 PM) Batman: Yes and no. Both spyware and viruses can absolutely be trojans. Trojans, however, need not necessarily be viruses or spyware.
(5:43:44 PM) rhoenix: alright, with that said then, do you then use a virus scanner?
(5:43:58 PM) Batman: Nope.
(5:44:57 PM) rhoenix: then I'm failing to see your irritation at trojans if you don't bother scanning for them
(5:45:21 PM) rhoenix: WinDefender has been shown to not catch all spyware, and certainly not any trojans
(5:46:00 PM) rhoenix: given that you have stated that you've gotten programs and media from torrents by your own admission, I'm really not seeing a reason for your outrage
(5:46:25 PM) Batman: What outrage? I
(5:50:11 PM) Batman: 've said I don't like software being installed without my express approval. If and when I find out it has happened, I try to get rid of it if it's worth the effort. But until it affects the rig's performance, it's no big deal. I It's a principle of the thing thing. IF I notice I try to get rid of it. But if it doesn't make much in the way of difference I don't go out of my way to find it either.
(5:51:08 PM) rhoenix: well, if your position is "I don't give a shit," then I can't really argue against that, except in terms of IT security
(5:51:54 PM) rhoenix: given that you've worked in IT for quite a while, and perhaps longer than I have... I quite honestly don't see why you wouldn't, given that you've likely dealt with many a user's system that was all kinds of torn up from spyware, viruses, or even trojans ;)
(5:52:14 PM) rhoenix: *why you wouldn't scan your system
(5:56:29 PM) Batman: This is a gaming/surfing rig. It's not used for anything important whatsoever (except from my personal POV of course). When you work IT you have to make sure the PCs are safe and stable because there's money involved. An infested office PC can cost millions and up. My PC being infested at worst is going to cost me three or so days to reinstall everything. Worthwhile virus scanners cost money I'm not willing to spend given I've NEVER had any virus troubles on a system considerably less well protected OR stable than that one.
(5:56:33 PM) Batman: *this one
(5:57:26 PM) rhoenix: actually, your last point is invalid - Avira is nearly #1 in terms of virus discovery & removal, and the personal edition is free
(5:57:47 PM) rhoenix: and come to think of it, the rest of your point is invalid as well, unless you got your PC for free ;)
(5:58:46 PM) Batman: As a matter of fact I DID get the core components for free but how come?
(5:59:06 PM) rhoenix: because, as you said, there's money involved - in this case, yours
(6:01:06 PM) Batman: Um-no there isn't? The money's already spent, the comonents are there. There's no additional cost to me having to reinstall the bloody thing. In on office situation, the PC being out of operation actually costs ADDITIONAL money as in the guy who'S supposed to be using it not being able to work.
(6:01:50 PM) rhoenix: then by your own admission, there is and was money at stake, because you did invest money in this machine with the expectation that it would perform as you expect
(6:05:18 PM) Batman: No there's not. The money is already spent. The hardware is still working. There's no cost to me having to reinstall (possibly excepting the cost for beer to drown my frustration about things not going smoothly). The office PC being down is reducing company revenue for the time being it is down. I'd not make an additional cent if my PC was working.
(6:06:43 PM) rhoenix: as you said, "the money has been spent" - thereby making this an investment, in this case in your ability to use a PC
(6:07:14 PM) rhoenix: true, you don't use it for daily income, but that does not invalidate the fact that money was spent on this computer with the intent of use
(6:07:25 PM) rhoenix: particularly if you use it for college work
(6:09:14 PM) Batman: My point is with my PC being down, I'm not losing any money. The office PC being down means the company does.
(6:09:31 PM) rhoenix: I understand your point, but it does not invalidate mine
(6:11:46 PM) rhoenix: unless you didn't pay any money for your PC, my point stands
(6:11:49 PM) Batman: Your point being? Honest question, I don't get where you're trying to go. The hardware's paid for, the software would be if I did that kind of thing, the thing being out of operation for a few days doesn't cost me nothing, at least financially.
(6:13:16 PM) rhoenix: I'm leading you to my point of "I don't bother to use antivirus programs or anything but the most basic of anti-spyware utilities because I don't care" is equivalent to you not bothering to perform more maintenance for your bicycle than filling the tires
(6:13:38 PM) rhoenix: either way, there are preventative maintenance items one can perform to protect one's investment
(6:14:13 PM) rhoenix: if you didn't spend any money on either PC or bicycle, then the point is invalid, as then neither are investments of money
(6:14:21 PM) rhoenix: but by your admission, you did
(6:14:40 PM) rhoenix: therefore, they are both investments, and therefore, preventative maintenance extends the service life
(6:14:50 PM) rhoenix: in short - "why the hell not?"
(6:16:21 PM) Batman: Really bad example:) I couldn't care less about the bycicle, mom forced that on me, and if the blasted thing rusts into oblivion, good riddance, and UNLIKE a Wintel PC a bycicle actually NEEDS maintenance to remain functional. The PC merely needs you to do a Redo From Start every once in a while.
(6:17:52 PM) rhoenix: wow, really?
(6:18:14 PM) rhoenix: you're seriously trying to make that argument when you've worked in IT?
(6:18:46 PM) Batman: ESPECIALLY as I've worked in IT.
(6:19:18 PM) rhoenix: then I must therefore assume whatever outfit you worked for was mind-numbingly incompetent
(6:19:51 PM) rhoenix: especially with things like boot-sector viruses, to name only one of many examples
(6:23:50 PM) Batman: Don't blame me for you picking an inaccurate metaphore:)
(6:25:01 PM) rhoenix: I will, since you're blatantly trying to weasel out of the argument and the point it made
(6:25:25 PM) rhoenix: and you concluded by saying "Windows PC's don't need any more maintenance other than reinstalling"
(6:25:46 PM) rhoenix: which... honestly hurts me, since I work in IT, and you supposedly do as well
(6:26:12 PM) Batman: I never said I do. And mostly, it's true.
(6:26:41 PM) rhoenix: (6:16:21 PM) Batman: Really bad example:) I couldn't care less about the bycicle, mom forced that on me, and if the blasted thing rusts into oblivion, good riddance, and UNLIKE a Wintel PC a bycicle actually NEEDS maintenance to remain functional. The PC merely needs you to do a Redo From Start every once in a while.
(6:27:17 PM) rhoenix: and if you're seriously trying to claim that its "mostly true," then I quite honestly question your experience in IT
(6:28:32 PM) rhoenix: particularly with the advent of the Internet
(6:29:30 PM) rhoenix: I have two college degrees and 10 years of work experience in IT
(6:29:32 PM) rhoenix: what do you have?
(6:29:48 PM) Batman: The vast majority of Windows problems (a lot of which have nothing to do with malware and are inherent with Windows) CAN be gotten rid of via a reinstall. INCLUDING most of the malware problems.
(6:30:08 PM) rhoenix: and are you seriously claiming this is an ideal solution, and that preventative maintenance is useless?
(6:31:57 PM) Batman: Useless? No. Necessary the same way it would be to keep a bycicle functioning? Not by a long shot.
(6:35:37 PM) rhoenix: by your own admission, you don't bother taking care of your bicycle either, so I shouldn't be surprised by your statement
(6:36:27 PM) Batman: The difference is that with software, I CAN go back to the word Go and start from there. I can't do that with a bycicle.
(6:37:13 PM) rhoenix: 1. boot-sector viruses, 2. CMOS viruses, 3. partition-table viruses
(6:37:17 PM) rhoenix: you were saying?
(6:37:37 PM) rhoenix: none of those three can be fixed by a reinstall
(6:38:46 PM) Batman: Low level format. CMOS flash. Have fun trying that on a bycicle.
(6:38:53 PM) rhoenix: and considering that you're currently communicating with me on a network-connected and Internet-connected computer, not only is your point invalid, its tremendously dangerous for anyone who wants to trade any files with you
(6:39:45 PM) rhoenix: since I sincerely doubt others are as lackadaisical about PC security and maintenance as you are
(6:40:31 PM) rhoenix: ok, so you're saying that low-level formatting and CMOS-flashing (and flash-upgrading after), and then reinstalling windows periodically is more ideal than maintenance?
(6:42:40 PM) steeleffigy: especially considering any files you back up periodically to an external source are not only possibly also infected, but probably?
(6:43:17 PM) bruciethebat: I'm not, and I never did. I'm saying that since those options are available maintenance on a PC is less critical than it would be on, say, a bicycle.
(6:44:18 PM) steeleffigy: less critical in what way?
(6:45:00 PM) steeleffigy: in both cases, neglect and lack of maintenance can severely degrade performance and lifespan, thereby shortening the useage life of the item in question
(6:45:32 PM) bruciethebat: If the bicycle falls apart, I'm out of a bycicle, period. For the PC, I need to reinstall and that's it.
(6:46:02 PM) steeleffigy: unless there's a CMOS virus, boot-sector virus, or partition-table virus
(6:46:16 PM) steeleffigy: are you claiming you have those tools on-hand, and reliably clean of viruses themselves?
(6:46:40 PM) steeleffigy: and if so, how are you certain?
(6:46:49 PM) bruciethebat: No. I merely have them a phonecall away.
(6:47:23 PM) steeleffigy: so in that case, it's not simpler than with a bicycle, as in both cases, it would require taking the machine to a shop to be fixed, for something you could have prevented
(6:49:08 PM) bruciethebat: And you're also presupposing those WILL be problems. That's not a given. A broken bike DOES mean it's broken to the point where I need it refurbished physically. A broken Winstall can and often IS fixed by a simple reinstall.
(6:50:00 PM) steeleffigy: a broken bike can and often is fixed by having the proper tools on hand in one's garage
(6:50:04 PM) steeleffigy: your point is invalid
(6:50:44 PM) steeleffigy: additionally, we've been over the point three times where a simple reinstall does not reliably fix a system afflicted with viruses
(6:52:49 PM) steeleffigy: the very fact that you're still trying to argue this point has honestly made me lose quite a bit of respect for you
(6:53:13 PM) steeleffigy: we can keep at this, where I can keep swatting down your points
(6:53:30 PM) steeleffigy: but the fact that you're stubbornly still going... I don't know what to say
(6:54:13 PM) bruciethebat: It is most certainly not. After a certain point, the bike is beyond repair and needs to be replaced either partially or completely. The OS does NOT. It may be obsolete by the time but a reinstall (and purging of CMOS viruses yadda yadda) will see to it it's properly working agian. Again, have fun trying that with a bike.
(6:54:29 PM) steeleffigy: so a boot-sector virus can't burn out the heads on a hard drive?
(6:54:37 PM) steeleffigy: a CMOS virus can't fry the BIOS?
(6:55:12 PM) steeleffigy: a partition-table virus can't permanently screw up the partition table on a hard drive?
(6:56:07 PM) bruciethebat: Probably not, absolutely yes, and no.
(6:56:46 PM) steeleffigy: considering I've personally seen and have corroborated all three happening in my time in IT, again, your point is invalid
(6:57:53 PM) bruciethebat: So how do 1 and 3 work? What with the partitioning table being a software thing?
(6:58:14 PM) steeleffigy: having to replace a hard drive or a motherboard does not equate to "fixing the problem being easier or less expensive than a bicycle"
(6:58:33 PM) steeleffigy: ...holy shit, dude, you don't get to claim IT experience after asking that
(6:59:17 PM) steeleffigy: both #'s 1 and 3 affect parts of the hard drive, and can very easily necessitate replacing the hard drive altogether
(6:59:37 PM) steeleffigy: #2 necessitates replacing the motherboard in most cases where CMOS-flashing doesn't work

Wow. Just wow.

[rhoenix]

co-worker 1: "There's something really wrong when you're watching a movie where a woman gets raped, and you're laughing."
co-worker 2: "He's doing it wrong."
co-worker 1: "And how would you know?"
co-worker 2: "Want me to rape you so you'll know?"
co-worker 1: "Baby, you don't have to rape me, you can have me anytime you want."

(both co-workers are male, straight, and very Christian - Hence why this made the Quote of the Night. The movie in question was House of Flying Daggers.)

[Comrade Tortoise]

derekthunder08 2:40 pm
I still can't believe they're going so nuts with prosecuting him.

aiifharbinger 2:42 pm
I can. We cant have people leaking information about our war crimes.

derekthunder08 2:42 pm
Ah yes.

aiifharbinger 2:43 pm
If that happens, the europeans might look at us sternly from across the pond, and those germans will be very very disappointed in us.

derekthunder08 2:43 pm
lol
It might force us to re-examine our foreign policy.
the horror.

aiifharbinger 2:43 pm
Pfft, that wont happen
This is 'murrica

aiifharbinger 2:44 pm
we dont examine things, we bomb them

derekthunder08 2:44 pm
MURRICA
KICK SOME BROWN ASS
TEACH THEM SAND CHILDREN TO GET FIREWOOD

derekthunder08 2:48 pm
Let's be honest, American can't afford to look soft on civilians.

aiifharbinger 2:49 pm
of course not
At least not until said civilians have been raped into chsitianity
christianity

derekthunder08 2:50 pm
Right.
You know what they say...
"A Civilian is just an enemy you haven't made yet"

aiifharbinger 2:52 pm
Indeed!

[General Havoc]

derekthunder08 2:40 pm
I still can't believe they're going so nuts with prosecuting him.

aiifharbinger 2:42 pm
I can. We cant have people leaking information about our war crimes.

derekthunder08 2:42 pm
Ah yes.

aiifharbinger 2:43 pm
If that happens, the europeans might look at us sternly from across the pond, and those germans will be very very disappointed in us.

derekthunder08 2:43 pm
lol
It might force us to re-examine our foreign policy.
the horror.

aiifharbinger 2:43 pm
Pfft, that wont happen
This is 'murrica

aiifharbinger 2:44 pm
we dont examine things, we bomb them

derekthunder08 2:44 pm
MURRICA
KICK SOME BROWN ASS
TEACH THEM SAND CHILDREN TO GET FIREWOOD

derekthunder08 2:48 pm
Let's be honest, American can't afford to look soft on civilians.

aiifharbinger 2:49 pm
of course not
At least not until said civilians have been raped into chsitianity
christianity

derekthunder08 2:50 pm
Right.
You know what they say...
"A Civilian is just an enemy you haven't made yet"

aiifharbinger 2:52 pm
Indeed!

I think this quote indicates far more than you intended it to...

[frigidmagi]

14:39] DarekSilver001: -stabs you in the left hip-

[14:40] DarekSilver001: I meant in general....their culture

[14:40] magithis: Ah! You commie you chose left!

[14:40] DarekSilver001: but ....yes..they'll speak Cajun

[14:40] DarekSilver001: ...it doesn't matter if I chose left or right! your still bleeding!

[14:40] magithis: SOCIALIST! SOCIALIST!

[14:41] DarekSilver001: -stabs you in the right arm- THERE!

[14:41] DarekSilver001: I'm a centralist!

[14:41] DarekSilver001: get it right!

[14:41] magithis: You can lie all you want, now we know the truth.

[14:42] DarekSilver001: ...next time, I'm just going to stab you in the chest

[14:43] magithis: See at least then you would be competent at stabbing. Commie.

Remember kids, the professionals aim center of mass!

[Charon]

Garvin: Only Ben can get me to consider the virtues of freezing sperm now.

[Dark Silver]

darksilver: -smacks you across the cheek with a glove-
Scottie: This? This is how you repay my kindness?!
Scottie: I offer you a chance to obtain picture of Felicia Day in a corset
Scottie: and you destroy her for me and then try to challenge me to a duel?!
darksilver: ....did you expect less of me?

[Hotfoot]

Via Skype:

Hotfoot: "I can't grow a beard for the life of me, I gave up years ago."
CT: "Give me three weeks and I can have a glorious beard."
Hotfoot: "Yes, but you'll have to apologize for leading her on sooner or later."

[Steve]

[08:02] stgarrettjr: I have a confession
[08:02] DarekSilver001: I didn't do it
[08:02] DarekSilver001: oh wait
[08:02] stgarrettjr: LOL
[08:02] DarekSilver001: you're confessing
[08:02] DarekSilver001: you did it
[08:02] DarekSilver001: your guilty, and you know it
[08:02] stgarrettjr: Yes, I did!
[08:02] stgarrettjr: I proudly admit it!
[08:02] DarekSilver001: go with the proper officers quietly
[08:02] stgarrettjr: I laughed when Boomer shot Adama!
[08:02] stgarrettjr: I shouted SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS YOU SONOVABITCH!

[Josh]

Since everyone else self-quotes, I will join in the fun.

me: Hah. I just ordered a pack of syringes from Amazon.
Yes.
Let's.
Kristene: You did what?
me: Ordered a pack of syringes.
Kristene: ?
me: For the heroin habit I'm planning on developing.
I've carefully researched the addictive drugs.
And decided heroin is the one for me.
Kristene: I applaud your organizational skills.
me: I hate what meth does to the teeth, you see.
Kristene: Agreed.
So do 4 out of 5 dentists.
me: And with my sinus issues regularly kicking up, cocaine is right out.
Kristene: True, true.
me: Crack was tempting, but the pipes are bulky and I already carry all my ecig paraphernalia around, so it would be two separate smoking devices.
But heroin? I have no fear of needles, so it's perfect!
Tie off, inject, instant bliss.
And The Wire showed just how free and footloose the heroin junkie lifestyle is.
Kristene: I'm jealous.
me: Who would not want to live like Bubbles, the charming and lovable heroin addict who was really the central character of the entire series?
Remember those wacky hijinks he would get up to with his best bud Johnny Weeks?
Kristene: DO I?? Oh man, such a scamp!
me: Seriously though.
Kristene: :)
me: It's to fill my cartomizers for my ecigs. The current method is messy and prone to overfilling and damaging the coils, and everyone says when you go syringe, you never go back.