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Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:41 pm

LadyTevar wrote:Let's be blunt, guys. Gaheris and Co. just aren't fighting smart. We knew that grabbing these Banites was a trap, yet we sprung it anyway because the Paladin didn't want Lathander's temple to get hit. We should have hit, snatched, and ran.

After this, Vara-dome will be lucky to have two members left alive.

We should have run with the prisoner, and I have no fucking clue why we didn't.

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:32 pm

Rogue 9 wrote: We should have run with the prisoner, and I have no fucking clue why we didn't.

Because it only takes a couple of minutes to open up his brain and you don't have a limitless number of teleports. Any place you take him will be compromised in the same way that the Banite temple was compromised when it took Nalifan. Also hindsight is in operation at this point. Everyone is talking about that now, after the second post of the ambush battle, not the first, and not the capture.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:46 am

I had no fucking clue why we didn't then, either. It wasn't clear at the capture that we weren't taking him somewhere else, and by the time it was clear, the ambush was already posted.

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:24 am

Rogue 9 wrote:I had no fucking clue why we didn't then, either. It wasn't clear at the capture that we weren't taking him somewhere else, and by the time it was clear, the ambush was already posted.

So you say now, instead of during the six days between those two posts.

There were definite advantages to breaking the Banite almost in public, not the least of which would have been breaking him in public. It would have taken mere minutes and your spellcasters have other things to do than provide unlimited teleports, like use their not unlimited spell selections for offence.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:30 am

So I say now because Tevar brought it up; I've long since learned that there's no point in trying to pick at anything in these.

By the by, I hope that City of Ravens is as good as you said it is. I just ordered it from Amazon to get my order above $25 for the free shipping.

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:43 am

Rogue 9 wrote:So I say now because Tevar brought it up; I've long since learned that there's no point in trying to pick at anything in these.

Well, if you did something other than pick it might catch me off guard.

By the by, I hope that City of Ravens is as good as you said it is. I just ordered it from Amazon to get my order above $25 for the free shipping.

It's good. Trust me. Would I stear you wrong?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:52 am

Yes, I think you would.

But I'm saving enough on the shipping that it hardly matters.

LadyTevar · Post by **LadyTevar** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:03 am

RE: Justice.
Finally we're starting to act smart... hopefully the Banites will fall for the retreat just like Harald's men did in 1066. When William the bastard got them away from the hilltop, spread out, his man picked them apart with ease.

RE: Raven
Looks like the dwarf sold his life dearly indeed... how fare the humans, tho?

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:36 pm

LadyTevar wrote:RE: Justice.
When William the bastard got them away from the hilltop, spread out, his man picked them apart with ease.

Aww. You like calling him William the Bastards too. What a man will do to get a new nickname . . . .

LadyTevar · Post by **LadyTevar** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:49 pm

Cynical Cat wrote:
LadyTevar wrote:RE: Justice.
When William the bastard got them away from the hilltop, spread out, his man picked them apart with ease.
Aww. You like calling him William the Bastards too. What a man will do to get a new nickname . . . .

Remind me to sing you the Battle of 1066 by Cyrdwn.

~T'was a beautiful day for a battle
And as soon as the whistle had went
Both sides started bangin each other
Til swineherds could 'ear em in Kent!~

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:36 pm

There will be blood tonight! [/Inigo Montoya]

Just hope it isn't ours.

LadyTevar · Post by **LadyTevar** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:30 am

RE: Raven.

Not a bad wrap-up, but I feel there's something missing :sad:

RE: Justice

WTF? Nal, what good is burning down the damn city going to do?!

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:31 am

Not to mention randomly killing Umberlee's clergy. Not that Gaheris would complain about that or anything, but it doesn't seem to get anyone anywhere.

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:38 am

Rogue 9 wrote:Not to mention randomly killing Umberlee's clergy. Not that Gaheris would complain about that or anything, but it doesn't seem to get anyone anywhere.

There was nothing random about that killing. If one intends to start a large fire near the temple of the priests of a water god, one is going to run into problems. The priests of Umberlee maybe bastards, but they will put out any large fires near their temple. Nalifan is prevented his fire spiders from dying prematurely.

As to why he's starting a big fire, if you haven't figured it out yet it will be revealed latter in the story.

LadyTevar · Post by **LadyTevar** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:01 am

The entire town will come out to try to stop the fires before they spread too far. All the nobles and higher ups will be forced to show up to direct the fire brigands, and all the common folk will band together to aid each other.

In effect, Nalifan is flushing out the leaders, movers and shakers of Westgate. Those who don't show will be remembered by the common folk as not helping stop the fire. Vampires are not fire-resistant, so having their safehouses catch will be castastophic to them. The Banites will rush to protect their temple, leading Nalifan straight to it.

There is also the bonus of sowing confusion amid those after us... and with appropiate fire-based protections, we may even be able to lose those following us amongst the burning buildings. Breathing, however, may be a problem

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:40 am

Close, but there's an additional element to the fires. It isn't just a fire, its a fire caused by the horde of fire elementals in its vanguard. Lots of the usual fire fighting tricks won't work.

There is an additional element to Nalifan's strategy as well, but I'll reveal that at the proper time.

LadyTevar · Post by **LadyTevar** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:53 am

I'll be waiting to see what I've missed.

LadyTevar · Post by **LadyTevar** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:03 am

I hope that the 'women to rape' he's looking for isn't Imazeal and Kaeryn. Cause he'll be sadly mistaken trying that.

Oh goodie... outsiders for me to banish. Wonder if it works on Wonderous Figurines as well... be nasty if that Nightmare was to vanish out from under him in Mid-Air....

LadyTevar · Post by **LadyTevar** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:03 am

Re: Children

Baby Daleks?!

Narsil · Post by **Narsil** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:39 pm

Re: Children of the Mentor

Hmm... looks interesting.

Will the Doctor make any appearances later on?

LadyTevar · Post by **LadyTevar** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:04 am

RE: Daleks.

I wonder how her children will accept being turned into war machines?

LadyTevar · Post by **LadyTevar** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:43 am

RE: Justice

Would Nal get mad if Kaeryn dispells/banishes a firespider that gets too close to her? I know that when she finds out he set the fires, she's going to be highly upset, demanding to know if there wasn't another, better way.

It's gonna really piss her off when he bluntly says "no."

Umbras · Post by **Umbras** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:04 pm

With destruction comes renewal, the city can be rebuilt and can you think of anything else that would drive the vampires from thier hidden lairs that would be as effective as fire?

LadyTevar · Post by **LadyTevar** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:26 pm

That's why it's really going to annoy her... she can't argue its effectiveness at getting the NightMasks and Banites out of hiding. She can bitch about the loss of homes, business, and innocents... but it's all broken eggs in the omelet.

Moral dilemas are so fuckin evil. Especially when it's my character... they're all just a little too good/softhearted to be able to be truly ruthless.

Umbras · Post by **Umbras** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:53 pm

The alternative would have been way worse if the Nightmasks and Banites were allowed to takover Westgate, innocents going to the altar of Bane and feeding the vampires insatiable bloodthirst.

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