Old World Monsters

[Rukia]

Ok time line:

undead consuming fire

explosion


or

explosion

undead consuming fire?


Did they happen at the same time?

[Marcao]

Timeline would be closer to A as written.
Circle of Fire -> Fire Dome -> Explosion

[LadyTevar]

Timeline would be closer to A as written.
Circle of Fire -> Fire Dome -> Explosion

Which means if a certain Vampiress can jump the circle, she can get out of the fire dome.

[Rukia]

yeah I've discussed my options with the GM... I've just got to get my mind around a coherent post.

[frigidmagi]

On the explosion... Shark Bait, Rheonix... If I had been GMing you would both be dead... Lucky you right?

[rhoenix]

On the explosion... Shark Bait, Rheonix... If I had been GMing you would both be dead... Lucky you right?

I gathered, yeah.

Agrilos had his Wind Armor active (which would give him the equivalent of plate mail protection), which is basically why he didn't die outright, from what Charon told me.

Poor guy doesn't have a very good track record so far, it seems.

[Charon]

Technically it was because it was wind armor that it helped because normal armor doesn't really do shit against the overpressure (which what would have killed you), but since your armor would technically stand up to something like overpressure since it is a mass of pressure itself, it helped out a bit.

[Marcao]

10 hours later we are still waiting for a post no? Is this going to be a new Gettysburg address?

[Cynical Cat]

Bad Marcao. No team killing.

*leans over to listen to person whispering in my ear*

Do as I say, not do as I do.

[rhoenix]

Technically it was because it was wind armor that it helped because normal armor doesn't really do shit against the overpressure (which what would have killed you), but since your armor would technically stand up to something like overpressure since it is a mass of pressure itself, it helped out a bit.

That actually makes more sense - thank you for clarifying.

And considering that said Wind Armor is one of the few things to go right so far (if only by default), I'm rather pleased with how it worked.

[frigidmagi]

10 hours later we are still waiting for a post no? Is this going to be a new Gettysburg address?

Well this is a bit of a pot and kettle comment I gotta say.

[Charon]

Shark Bait, your character is not getting to his feet, let alone actually walking anywhere. As has been said it is a miracle that your character is alive, hell it's a miracle your character is even conscious. You can take note of your surroundings but that's it.

On another note, I will be posting tomorrow. So if you're going to do something and haven't posted, do it.

[Shark Bait]

ok

[Rukia]

Wait? Am I to believe that the Troll that is standing just as close to the damn barrel as the other two characters is not phased but SB's character can't even move? I'm sorry that just doesn't work.

Gunpowder doesn't explode, it burns. Also whether contained or not contained it burns at the same rate. When you burn gunpowder you release a set amount of energy that has to be transferred to the surroundings. Much of this energy is given off in the form of heat. As air heats up, it's pressure increases. When the pressure gets high enough, it can tear apart lots of things and that is what causes the "explosion". In the open, there is so much air, that you couldn't possibly heat it up enough to create the pressures needed to create significant damage. In a closed situation, with very little air to heat up, the pressures skyrocket and the high pressure is what causes the explosion.

PV = nRT; where P = pressure, V = volume, n = number of moles of gas, R = Reynolds number (a constant), and T = temperature in Kelvin.

Inside a container, the volume of a gas is held constant; so V = constant = k. Then we have P = (R/k)nT = CnT; where C = R/k = constant. Thus, pressure in a confined space is predicated on the moles of gas and the temperature of that gas.

Because the number of moles of gas is expanding and the temperature is rising as the gunpowder burns, the pressure inside the grenade, firecracker, or tin can must be rising. Finally, P > rupture pressure and the container ruptures. The gas pulses as it rushes into the atmosphere and that pulse makes the explosive sound (kaboom).

Without the confinement V <> constant; so PV = nRT and P = nRT/V; so as n and T go up to make the pressure rise, the volume can expand forcing the pressure back down. In the end, the P stays pretty steady and certainly not high or sudden enough to make a bang. The gunpowder just fizzles away.

By the way, there is fast burning gunpowder that will explode when uncontained. Such powder burns along a line where the burn rate travels at or near the speed of sound. That speed of the burn alone is explosive and makes a big noise like an explosion sounds.

Source(s):
Studied high velocity gunpowder while a research associate at a major national laboratory.

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Gunpowder, as you know explodes; but only if it is put into a
small space and packed very tightly. In the case of a firecracker, and the
shells that explode in the sky on the fourth of July, the gunpowder is
packed very tightly. The rockets that shoot the shells into the air use
gunpowder as well, but one end is not packed tightly. This allows the
burning hot gases that are formed when the gunpowder burns to have a place
to get out. This is usually at the bottom. The force that is created (its
called thrust) moves out of the bottom, downward. The reactant force in
the opposite direction (See Issac Newton's Laws of Motion) causes to rocket
to go upward.

Back to the gunpowder. Gunpowder does not explode, it only burns real
fast. Because it burns instead of exploding, it can be used to propel the
rocket, and then packed differently to make it explode in the shell in the
sky.

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There is absolutely NO way unless under extremely ideal conditions that the barrel would explode enough to do irepreable harm. It would hurt a lot, but it would most likely not kill anyone. And would certainly not knock someone over a certain radius unconscious. To get the effect that you want it would have to be packed so dense that it would kill everyone in the clearing. You can find examples all over the net that support this.

Kick me out of the game if you wish but YOU are autoing our characters, GM or not, they are ours, the reason we joined was to play but you are doing that for us. You are wanting us to read your mind and write the story that you want and I refuse to play games like that. I understand calling us on stupid mistakes and whatever but this is becoming increasingly less fun.

I've said my two sense, take it for what it's worth.

[Charon]

Wait? Am I to believe that the Troll that is standing just as close to the damn barrel as the other two characters is not phased but SB's character can't even move? I'm sorry that just doesn't work.

Actually, no he wasn't as close. He threw the barrel at the feet of Per.

The thick troll turned and stuck something into the barrel that sat beside him, then he brought his torch to the fuse and hefted the barrel into the air towards Per and Agrilos. The barrel hit the ground infront of them and rolled, giving them only a moment or two before the fuse ignited the gunpowder inside.

And also don't throw in bullshit like "He's not even phased" because he is clearly on one knee and not moving.

There is absolutely NO way unless under extremely ideal conditions that the barrel would explode enough to do irepreable harm. It would hurt a lot, but it would most likely not kill anyone. And would certainly not knock someone over a certain radius unconscious. To get the effect that you want it would have to be packed so dense that it would kill everyone in the clearing. You can find examples all over the net that support this.

*gasp* An ideal condition? Why that couldn't POSSIBLY be effected by... say... a wizard! I'll tell you again what I've mentioned to everyone. There are things going on behind the scenes right now. If I hadn't been forced to bring you guys into combat to keep this game alive then maybe you'd have some idea of what those things are. Regardless, dry blackpowder burns very quickly, not nearly as quickly as modern gunpowder, hence the main reason why those two are alive. More often than not it burns quickly enough to propel cannonballs hundreds of feet, or to shatter cannons into thousands of very sharp, very deadly metal pieces.

Kick me out of the game if you wish but YOU are autoing our characters, GM or not, they are ours, the reason we joined was to play but you are doing that for us. You are wanting us to read your mind and write the story that you want and I refuse to play games like that. I understand calling us on stupid mistakes and whatever but this is becoming increasingly less fun.

I've said my two sense, take it for what it's worth.

Um... I'm not autoing your characters. I'm determining the results of what happens during combat. Which is my job as the GM. I have not in any way told you what you should or should not do or punished someone for doing something I did not expect. Hell when you at first wanted to play as a woman wearing pants and wielding a sword I didn't tell you you couldn't. I simply told you that realistically in this kind of a setting many people wouldn't react well to seeing a normal woman dressed like that. I didn't tell or force Agrilos to create a fogbank and run out to battle the cannons by himself, and I didn't tell or force Per to follow him out, nor did I force Per to wait and have a conversation with the troll while said troll was stalling him.

I will come out and say that this battle has gone poorly for you guys, but there is an IN GAME reason for it. Honestly many of the things you guys have done I'm rather proud of and think some of you have been pretty inventive in getting around the obstacles I have set before you. It's not because I'm having lulz at your expense or because I'm trying to keep you to only one way the story can go. Bad shit is going down in this town and I've given some hints as to what some of it may be. But on the same token I'm not just going to throw it at your characters feet.

I don't kick people out of games. I may kill their character if they become a real problem or if you have your character do something that should by all rights get them killed, but if you leave that is your choice.

Does anyone else feel this way? Or have issues that they would like to discuss with me? Please bring them up if you do.

[Cynical Cat]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the biggest problems with these games is not players auto dropping NPCs, its objecting to their character getting damaged.

Sharkbait isn't even maimed after being close to an exploding barrel of gunpowder. That's damn good.

[Shark Bait]

I have to say that i was very confused when you said that i was unable to stand. From the description that was given in your post i greatly misunderstood and i took it to mean that i was far more durable than i obviously am. i checked my post with rukia and i am aware that her opinion matters little compared to yours as to whether or not the post is ok, BUT that does say that i was not the only one who misconstrued the information that was given to me. Additionally Yes magic may be a factor but that was not something stated to us during the discussion of how the barrel exploded, and going off of the information silence posted it looks like the explosion would not be as horrible as stated. It would have lots of flash and lots of fire yes a pressure change but it would not be quite like a bomb as described, magic being involved well that throws the rest out the window and god knows what happens then. Magic and physics don't mix, never have never really will.

[Comrade Tortoise]

Yeah... of course in this case it is not even him objecting...

[Cynical Cat]

Yeah... of course in this case it is not even him objecting...

No, just his fiancee. Not exactly an uninvolved party.

[LadyTevar]

Rukia, I know you think your character is getting picked on by Marcao and Charon. She's not... or did you miss where Marcao's one spell hit humans by accident.
Now, he is trying to kill all Vampires because they are Undead and Anathema by the Laws of the Church, but the accident was not an accident of his own doing.

Or did you miss that part? ;)

[Charon]

I have to say that i was very confused when you said that i was unable to stand. From the description that was given in your post i greatly misunderstood and i took it to mean that i was far more durable than i obviously am. i checked my post with rukia and i am aware that her opinion matters little compared to yours as to whether or not the post is ok, BUT that does say that i was not the only one who misconstrued the information that was given to me. Additionally Yes magic may be a factor but that was not something stated to us during the discussion of how the barrel exploded, and going off of the information silence posted it looks like the explosion would not be as horrible as stated. It would have lots of flash and lots of fire yes a pressure change but it would not be quite like a bomb as described, magic being involved well that throws the rest out the window and god knows what happens then. Magic and physics don't mix, never have never really will.

Had it not been packed up in a barrel like it was you would have gotten just that, with the lots of fire and smoke and some pressure change. But this was basically a big freaking grenade. I don't know what your post would have been, but if it had involved cracking the barrel open with your giant sword then the explosion would have been much less catastrophic. As to your misinterpretation, I had thought I'd made the extent of the damage clear but I suppose I could have gone further.

Magic itself had little direct effect on the explosion of the barrel, nor were any of the characters in the vicinity potent enough magic users to be able to notice any magical effect going off, hence why I didn't mention it. And considering how subtle the magic was I doubt one of the actual wizards would have noticed it in the heat of the moment either.

[LadyTevar]

Magic itself had little direct effect on the explosion of the barrel, nor were any of the characters in the vicinity potent enough magic users to be able to notice any magical effect going off, hence why I didn't mention it. And considering how subtle the magic was I doubt one of the actual wizards would have noticed it in the heat of the moment either.

And I've already asked. The owl was too far away to sense it.

[Shark Bait]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the biggest problems with these games is not players auto dropping NPCs, its objecting to their character getting damaged.

Sharkbait isn't even maimed after being close to an exploding barrel of gunpowder. That's damn good.

I’m sorry I was not trying to say that my character was un injured, I was attempting to roll with the punches and I was trying to continue to play the game and not just have a “I cough blood and roll overâ€

[Rukia]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the biggest problems with these games is not players auto dropping NPCs, its objecting to their character getting damaged.

Sharkbait isn't even maimed after being close to an exploding barrel of gunpowder. That's damn good.

SB's original Post:

Per only had time to pull his shield in front of himself as the barrel exploded, the fire washed over him to fast to inflict serious burns followed by debris that merely bounced off of his armor. But the shockwave that followed tore into him viciously and he could feel his right arm shatter from the stress as his insides burned and ached. When the explosion passed he finally looked up, his ears had streams of blood trickling from them a dark color not quite right for human blood. His right arm hung weak and useless by his side barely clutching his sword, looking over his situation he dropped his shield and transferred his sword to his left hand. He could fight like this but not for to long, perhaps just a long enough time to kill the traitor, he then rose slowly to his feet with only a soft grunt of pain. The other troll was still on bended knee probably just as injured as himself if not more so, having lacked a shield to repel the debris. But now a second figure was present a man in armor holding a warhammer, standing near his opponent. Per swore under his breath whoever this was they had just withstood the same explosion he had but without as much as a scratch.

He never once said he was not uninjured. In fact it seems as though he's pretty worse for wear.

No, just his fiancee. Not exactly an uninvolved party.

That has absolutely nothing to do with this.

Rukia, I know you think your character is getting picked on by Marcao and Charon. She's not... or did you miss where Marcao's one spell hit humans by accident.
Now, he is trying to kill all Vampires because they are Undead and Anathema by the Laws of the Church, but the accident was not an accident of his own doing.

Or did you miss that part? ;)

No I didn't, I am very aware of what is going on with my character. However my concern had nothing to do with my character, nor did I ever say I felt picked on.

Had it not been packed up in a barrel like it was you would have gotten just that, with the lots of fire and smoke and some pressure change. But this was basically a big freaking grenade. I don't know what your post would have been, but if it had involved cracking the barrel open with your giant sword then the explosion would have been much less catastrophic. As to your misinterpretation, I had thought I'd made the extent of the damage clear but I suppose I could have gone further.

The barrel was not full, although it was mostly full. If it was 80% full then the volume of black powder within this barrel would be (roughly):

Something cannot be "packed" if it does not fill the container. That is the issue. If you picked up that partially filled container (the barrel) no matter how packed it had been the contents would shift.

Magic itself had little direct effect on the explosion of the barrel, nor were any of the characters in the vicinity potent enough magic users to be able to notice any magical effect going off, hence why I didn't mention it. And considering how subtle the magic was I doubt one of the actual wizards would have noticed it in the heat of the moment either.

If magic had so little to do with it then why did you bring it up to make the point that ideal conditions were created with said magic?

*gasp* An ideal condition? Why that couldn't POSSIBLY be effected by... say... a wizard!

You contradicted yourself.

[Cynical Cat]

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No, just his fiancee. Not exactly an uninvolved party.

That has absolutely nothing to do with this.

I'm not buying it or Florida swampland, my dear.