Transformers: World War II

Charon · Post by **Charon** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:14 am

Ok since Bazookas aren't around yet...

Are personnel mortars around yet? That's the only thing I could think of him even possibly thinking of.

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:10 pm

Yes mortars exist. I went and saved your bacon.

Charon · Post by **Charon** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:25 pm

Cynical Cat wrote:Yes mortars exist. I went and saved your bacon.

Mortars have existed practically as long as cannons have. I was talking about personnel mortars, the kind that are easily portable and usable by like two people.

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:35 pm

Yes they do.

LadyTevar · Post by **LadyTevar** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:42 pm

I've seen pictures of them used in WWII

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:30 am

The Japanese had a one man "knee motor" that was first issued in the 30s. It was designed to be fired while resting on a thigh. Course they fucked up the math and if you actually did that it would break your damn leg. The Japanese simply adapted by slamming them into the ground and firing them. I learned this right after boot camp in a tour of the Marine museum!

If they have that, I imagine the US had a two man motor by WWII. Especially since they been working with Autobots.

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:58 am

The US had one early than WW2.

General Havoc · Post by **General Havoc** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:31 pm

The US had infantry mortars dating back to WWI. By 1940, the US had both the famous M1 81mm infantry mortar (which was designed for three-person operation), and the M2 60mm mortar, a lighter-weight version that was carried by one person and employed by either one or two.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:41 am

The 81mm is light only in the sense it is not as heavy as a real cannon. Motherfucker is a backbreaker. The 60 isn't really all that fun either but it's no where near as bad as the 81 in my mind.

Post by **Dark Silver** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:13 am

Their defenses are broken, let the slaughter begin!

General Havoc · Post by **General Havoc** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:22 am

True, the 81 weighs something on the order of 130 pounds if my sources are correct. It was designed to be broken up into three parts and carried by three men. I believe, though, that the 60 mortar is light enough for one man to carry.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:57 pm

Blitzwing? Blitzwing... Blitzwing!

Now you're just taunting me DS.

And I love you to Cat.

Post by **Dark Silver** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:27 pm

yepl, Blitzwing.

I made no secret that the PC's primary antogonist in the Eastern Front war would be Blitzwing and the Combaticons....

Who else but Onslaught's great tactical mind could nearly sweep away the Russians....

LadyTevar · Post by **LadyTevar** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:42 am

You're a Transformer, not a Bolo, Havoc.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:45 am

No one seemed to mind Breakout being Boloish.

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:56 am

Havoc, almost all Panzer IIIs had a relatively long barrelled, high velocity gun (save for some late war variants). Not that this would get through the front armour of a T-34, let alone a Cybertronian tank. It's the Mark IV that had a low velocity short barreled gun in most of its early incarnations.

General Havoc · Post by **General Havoc** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:17 am

Sorry, made a mistake there with my Panzer models. Quite embarrassing.

And I took "overconfident" as a weakness for Cavalier. I fully intend to play by the letter of that. Even a normal T-34 could easily smash a handful of unarmored trucks and halftracks and shrug off hits from a Pz38 or a low velocity short-barrel Panzer IV. Cavalier is not a Bolo, but he thinks he is one.

Yes, this is liable to get him beaten out of recognition by all manner of horrible things.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:39 am

*Hoists a Krupp 8.8 gun kitbashed into a shotgun* I'm gonna hafta wade into that, I fear.

Also, is it wrong that I want Overload to have an old anti-aiir/anti-tank gun juryrigged?

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:43 am

SirNitram wrote:*Hoists a Krupp 8.8 gun kitbashed into a shotgun* I'm gonna hafta wade into that, I fear.

Also, is it wrong that I want Overload to have an old anti-aiir/anti-tank gun juryrigged?

No, but why a German gun? The British created quite serviceable weapons in roughly the same size. The Germans used captured ones with enthusiasm.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:44 am

Cynical Cat wrote:
SirNitram wrote:*Hoists a Krupp 8.8 gun kitbashed into a shotgun* I'm gonna hafta wade into that, I fear.

Also, is it wrong that I want Overload to have an old anti-aiir/anti-tank gun juryrigged?
No, but why a German gun? The British created quite serviceable weapons in roughly the same size. The Germans used captured ones with enthusiasm.

The Krupp is the one I know, mostly. If there's a similarly sized Brit gun I'll use that.

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:49 am

The QF 3.7 AA gun (94mm instead of 88) is roughly equivalent. The mounting sucked, which meant it wasn't as effective as the 88mm, but that's not an issue with one that's been converted into a big Cybertronian's rifle.

General Havoc · Post by **General Havoc** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:07 pm

I thought the british classified their guns by shellweight. Is that the 6-pounder? Or the 25?

Post by **Dark Silver** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:08 pm

soon....

very soon....Onslaught will have to get his hands dirty...

Cynical Cat · Post by **Cynical Cat** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:17 pm

General Havoc wrote:I thought the british classified their guns by shellweight. Is that the 6-pounder? Or the 25?

They classified some of their guns by shell weight, but not apparently the AA guns. That's shell diameter in inches. Probably closer to 25 pounds, if the Sherman Firefly was packing a 17 pounder.

General Havoc · Post by **General Havoc** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:24 pm

Well the British 25 pound AT gun was a pretty nasty piece of work. It could put a hole straight through almost anything short of a King Tiger at range.

The tanks I'm blowing apart though... Panzer IIIs were armed with 37mm AT guns, which were as effective against a T-34 as thrown rocks. Early-model Panzer IVs with the short-barreled 50mm were anti-infantry tanks, and couldn't seriously threaten the T-34 either, let alone a Cybertronian T-34. There's a famous story from July of 1941 when Heinz Guderian (the German Tank expert) was brought to see a T-34 that the Germans had captured. The damn thing had been hit nineteen times by German tank fire, with no penetrations or disabling shots, and it wasn't until they had lured it into range of an 88 that they took the thing out.

Smashing up a tank company like that is one thing. Once the 88s actually get into the game, I'll be in big trouble, as an 88 at this stage of the war was like the finger of God. It simply cut through every armored vehicle of every nation in the entire world.

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