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#1 China's radical new space drive

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This is the exact sort of thing that worries me. America is beginning to fall behind in scientific and engineering advances, and the pace is only increasing.

I'm not saying that the guy in question would have come to the US if things were different... but then again, perhaps he would have.
Wired.Co.Uk wrote:Scientists in China have built and tested a radical new space drive. Although the thrust it produces may not be enough to lift your mobile phone, it looks like it could radically change the satellite industry. Satellites are just the start: with superconducting components, this technology could generate the thrust to drive everything from deep space probes to flying cars. And it all started with a British engineer whose invention was ignored and ridiculed in his home country.

The latest research comes from a team headed by Yang Juan, Professor of Propulsion Theory and Engineering of Aeronautics and Astronautics at the Northwestern Polytechnic University in Xi'an. Titled "Net thrust measurement of propellantless microwave thruster," it was published last year in the academic journal Acta Physica Sinica, now translated into English.

The technology is controversial because of that key word "propellantless". Space drives rely on Newton's laws of motion: all are based on the principle of firing propellant out the back at high speed, pushing the spacecraft forward. Even with endless power from solar cells, thrust is still limited by the supply of propellant, even with high-velocity ion drives. Numerous attempts have been made to overcome this, from the infamous Dean Drive of the 1950's to Nasa's experiments with antigravity from spinning superconductors in the 1990's. All have failed, and the efforts of pseudoscientific cranks and scammers have left the field thoroughly discredited.

British engineer Roger Shaywer stepped into this dangerous field in 2001, after twenty years with European satellite firm EADS Astrium. He set up his own company, Satellite Propulsion Research (SPR) Ltd, with the aid of a modest grant from the UK's Department of Trade and Industry.

Shawyer aimed to develop an EmDrive: a closed, conical container which, when filled with resonating microwaves, experiences a net thrust towards the wide end. It seems to violate of the law of conservation of momentum, implied by Newton, which says that no closed system can have a net thrust. However, Shawyer says net thrust occurs because the microwaves have a group velocity which is greater in one direction than the other and Einstein's relativity comes into play. Group velocity, the speed of a collection of electromagnetic waves, is a tricky business -- a pulse of light can even have a group velocity which is greater than the speed of light -- but can it really cause net thrust?

Shawyer built a demonstration thruster to test the theory in 2003. The thrust was tiny -- 16 mN, equal to the weight of a couple of peanuts -- but enough to validate the concept. However, sceptics were quick to attack. None of them actually inspected the apparatus, but Shawyer was assailed from all sides online and in the science press. Criticism was unsophisticated: Newton said it was impossible, therefore he must be a fraud. Even the most advanced theoretical critique, produced by John Costella, a PhD in relativistic electrodynamics, amounted to arguing about the direction of an arrow on one of Shawyer's diagrams.

Shawyer continued to produce and test more advanced demonstrators, working out elaborate ways of ensuring that the test results are valid and not the result of air currents, friction, ionization, interference or electromagnetic effects.

Such effects can easily ruin experiments where small forces are involved. The Nasa investigation into supposed antigravity eventually found that the apparatus was actually causing electronic interference within the measuring system and producing false readings rather than negating the Earth's pull.

Boeing's Phantom Works, which works on various classified projects and has been involved in space research, went as far as acquiring and testing the EmDrive, but say they are no longer working with Shawyer.

In 2007 the Russian Research Institute of Space Systems launched an experimental micro-satellite called Yubileiny (Jubilee) with a "non-traditional" engine which, according to Director Valery Mesnshikov, functions without ejecting reaction mass. However, it was later stated that "further developments" were needed and nothing further appears to be been published on Russian reactionless drives.

Meanwhile, the EmDrive was picked up by Yang at Xi'an, who has a background in space propulsion systems.

The Chinese team took a cautious approach. They started with a new analysis in terms of quantum theory in 2008 which indicated that the theoretical basis was sound and net thrust is possible. The next paper in 2010 quantified the amount of thrust that could be produced, and stated that the team was getting positive experimental results. The latest paper describes their latest thruster and gives the test results in details, showing that with a couple of kilowatts of power they can produce 720 mN (about 72 grams) of thrust.

It may not sound very much, less than three ounces, but in space a little thrust goes a long way. Boeing's advanced XIPS thruster, which fires out Xenon ions at high speed, generates less than a quarter as much thrust from twice as much power. It's used to maintain satellites in position, or move them to a slightly different orbit. Crucially, Xips weights about twenty kilos, more than an equivalent EmDrive, and the propellant for prolonged operation can weigh much more.

Propellant can account for as much as half the launch weight of a geostationary satellite. This means that, in principle, fitting one with an EmDrive rather than a conventional drive, could halve launch costs. Shawyer notes that EmDrives no more powerful than the Chinese one could keep the International Space Station in position without the need for costly refueling.

Meanwhile, Shawyer is moving on to bigger plans. The amount of thrust produced by an EmDrive is determined by the Q value of the cavity, which measures how well it resonates. A tuning fork has a high Q value in air; put it in treacle and it is damped and does not resonate so well. By using superconducting apparatus, Shawyer says that the Q value, and hence thrust, can be boosted by a factor of several thousand -- producing perhaps a tonne of thrust per kilowatt of power. Suddenly it's not about giving a satellite a slight nudge, it's about launching spacecraft.

Shawyer estimates that the prototype superconducting thruster could be ready in 2016. Even the most hardened sceptic would find it hard to ignore a thruster capable of levitating itself in the air. However, the EmDrive cannot violate the law of conservation of energy. It can exert force, but accelerating a vehicle over a distance still requires a huge amount of power, and ultimately it still needs a big power supply. Personal EmDrive jetpacks are unlikely, but Shawyer has plans for a deep space propulsion unit, an EmDrive-assisted spaceplane capable of taking off from an a runway and travelling to Australia in three hours -- and a personal air vehicle the size of a car.

However, aerospace companies are not in a hurry to do business with Shawyer, and he will not be able to build the superconducting thruster without funding.

Yang's experimental work is continuing; she says she is not able to discuss her work until more results are published this year. There is also the tantalising prospect of a demonstration at an aerospace conference. This might make the EmDrive hard to ignore and force a showdown with skeptics. So far the reaction in the west to Yang's work has been muted -- perhaps polite disbelief would be the best description. 2013 may change all that.
It's weak, sure. But it's a reactionless drive.

Given the rumblings we're hearing already about asteroid mining businesses beginning and such, this could very well become very important in the next decade or so.
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What I'm reading here is that a Chinese company, with really nothing to lose picked up a British made engine after Boeing discarded it?

This is many things and I am hopeful that they can get something out of it but it is not a sign of America's fall when a Chinese company picks an American's company's left overs.
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The Soviets beating us into space was actually a net gain for our space program because it gave it a sense of urgency.

Competition is good, and anything that inspires us to push ahead in this arena is great.
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You're both right, I'm overreacting on this. I just can't let the whole NASA funding thing go.

Then again, this work week has been the story of missed opportunities for me, so I claim unconscious bias there.
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rhoenix wrote:You're both right, I'm overreacting on this. I just can't let the whole NASA funding thing go.

Then again, this work week has been the story of missed opportunities for me, so I claim unconscious bias there.
You're not alone. We pay out peanuts on our space program and that's a travesty. Thing is, we lost interest around the time we won the race to Luna and while we haven't entirely wasted our time in the interim we haven't pushed ahead nearly as much as we could've.
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arstechnica.com wrote:A new system called the EmDrive, a way of using electricity to generate thrust without the need for fuel, is one of those ideas that will generate a lot of heat and noise, but probably not a lot of thrust for many years to come. I had never heard of the idea until today, and the latest paper, a translation, doesn't throw a lot of light on the physics itself. So brace yourself and let's see what we can figure out from a grainy line drawing in the translation.

The idea is based on a standing wave cavity: two mirrors—in this case, microwave mirrors—facing each other so that microwaves travel back and forth between them. In one picture, two waves are travelling in opposite directions between two mirrors. If you look at both waves simultaneously, however, you get another picture: a standing wave, like the vibration on a violin string. The key thing about this system is that these two pictures must be self-consistent. We will use that to examine the EmDrive's potential for thrust.

In our simple picture of two mirrors facing each other, the mirrors are subject to equal and opposite forces. Essentially, the photons reflect from each mirror, exerting a force in doing so. Because this is symmetric, the cavity cannot have a net force. Even if we were to make the light very focused at one end and very diffuse at the other, we are simply distributing the same number of photons differently at each end, so the total force remains the same.

The key claim to the EmDrive is that it breaks this symmetry, allowing a net force to exist.

We can consider the EmDrive as having three mirrors. One is large and facing the other two. The other two are arranged at 45 degrees, so light from the big mirror hits these mirrors at 45 degrees. In this arrangement, the force imparted by the photons is divided up. Only half the force generated at the small mirrors is directed opposite to the large mirror, so it doesn't balance the force exerted by the photons hitting the large mirror. As a result, it seems that we should have thrust. In the standing wave picture, then, things look good.

Except that the photons reflected by the small mirrors don't return directly to the main mirror—they need to bounce off the other angled mirror before they can do so. So each photon applies half the force twice, which should balance that from the main mirror. This simple picture is why, on first glance, it appears that this will never generate a net force.

Put in a more general context, my feeling is that any stable optical resonator cannot exert a net force because it requires certain symmetries. But an unstable resonator certainly can. This is important, because the second part of the claim—though it's not made in the article—is that one can start to generate thrust by making the resonator better and better. Essentially, the longer the photon circulates in the cavity, the more net force it imparts.

You can think of it like this: if a resonator allows a photon to circulate a thousand times before it escapes and you attach a one Watt microwave source to the resonator, for each Watt that leaves the resonator, one thousand Watts are stored in it. It would seem that if we increase the quality of the resonator enough, every photon will contribute multiple times to generating the force, and we would be on to a winner.

But there's a problem here, in that some combination of two things must be happening to destabilize the resonator: each time a photon imparts a force to a mirror, the frequency of the light has to drop (the reflected light is ever so slightly red-shifted compared to the incoming light); alternately, the photon is absorbed by a mirror. If the quality of the resonator is high, then as soon as the photon shifts in frequency even a bit, it will get thrown out of the resonator. And if the photons are absorbed by the mirror, the quality is necessarily low. In either case, if the resonator is unstable, the photons don't stay in there for very long.

In the end, there is a limit to how much force this can impart. Each photon carries only so much energy, which can only exert so much force. Since a resonator is an energy storage device, when you use that energy to exert a force, you reduce the storage capability of the resonator. You cannot both exert a lot of force and store a lot of energy. Yet this is exactly what appears to be required.

What about the measurements in the paper? The measurements appear to back the claim up. Unfortunately, the work involves throwing around up to 2.5kW of power to measure less than a Newton of net force. In those conditions, little things like anisotropic thermal expansion become absolutely critical to the measurement. Quite simply, there isn't enough detail in the experimental setup and not enough tests against possible problems to trust the data yet.

There is also a further missing point: the quality of the resonator is measurable, and the mode—think of modes as the path the radiation takes inside the resonator—can be calculated. The measurements in the paper could and should have been compared to a calculation.

My opinion is that this is unlikely to ever work as intended, especially not in a challenging environment like space. I believe that if the microwave resonator is unstable, a net force can be produced, but in a stable cavity no net force can exist. Certainly, the idea that a high quality resonator can impart more force than a low quality resonator cannot be true—at least not if we also want to conserve energy.
The plot thickens. Hmm...
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