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#1 Mugabe vs the Bishops.

Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 10:16 pm
by frigidmagi
BBC
One of the most outspoken clerics in Zimbabwe has again called for President Robert Mugabe to resign.

The Roman Catholic Archbishop of Bulawayo Pius Ncube also urged Zimbabweans not to be intimidated by President Mugabe.

In an interview for BBC One's Heaven and Earth programme, to be broadcast on Sunday, the archbishop says the Zimbabwean government is corrupt.

President Mugabe has warned bishops against becoming too political.


African presidents have tried to negotiate with that man to no avail
Archbishop Ncube

The archbishop says the situation in Zimbabwe is getting steadily worse but even though people's morale has been broken they should not be intimidated.

"As far as I'm concerned he [President Mugabe] must go," he said.

"You can't negotiate with him. It's useless. African presidents have tried to negotiate with that man to no avail."

The archbishop also said opposition politicians in Zimbabwe needed to do more to prove themselves despite having been jailed and tortured.

This week President Mugabe warned his country's Catholic bishops that they were on a dangerous path if they became too political.
The dictatiors reply:

Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe has told Roman Catholic bishops they are on a "dangerous path" if they become too political, state media reports.

He said they would be treated as politicians and not spiritual leaders.

He was responding to an open letter published over Easter, in which they warned of a mass uprising unless free elections are held.

"Many people in Zimbabwe are angry, and their anger is now erupting into open revolt," the letter said.

Mr Mugabe, a Catholic, said he would have told the bishops they were talking "nonsense" if he had seen the letter in church.

"Once [the bishops] turn political, we regard them as no longer spiritual and our relations with them would be conducted as if we are dealing with political entities and this is quite a dangerous path they have chosen for themselves," he is reported as saying in The Herald newspaper.

'Biblical oppression'

In March, a prayer meeting attended by opposition leaders and activists was broken up by police, leaving two people dead.


Catholic Archbishop of Bulawayo Pius Ncube

Profile: Turbulent archbishop
Scores of activists, including Movement for Democratic Change leader Morgan Tsvangirai, were arrested and assaulted in police custody.

Mr Mugabe said they had "deserved" their beatings for ignoring police warnings that the meeting was illegal.

The bishops' letter compared the suffering in Zimbabwe to the biblical oppression of the Jewish slaves under the pharaohs in Egypt.

"In order to avoid further bloodshed and avert a mass uprising, the nation needs a new people-driven constitution that will guide a democratic leadership chosen in free and fair elections," it said.

Earlier this year, the outspoken Catholic Archbishop of Bulawayo, Pius Ncube, called for Zimbabweans to take to the streets in order to tell Mr Mugabe to step down.

He said he was willing to stand in front of "blazing guns" if necessary.

More Zimbabweans are Catholics than belong to any other religious group.

Zimbabwe has the world's highest annual rate of inflation - 2,200% - and only one person in five is in full-time work.

Mr Mugabe blames his problems on a Western plot to remove him from power.
Given Mugabe's proir treatment of politicians in opposition to him, treating someone like a politician generally means beating them so badly they get sent to the hospital and release in a wheelchair.

I want to note something, fucking with a groups spiritual leaders is a sure fire way to push them over the edge.

#2

Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:03 am
by Comrade Tortoise
And in his case, I think ordering the beatings of bishops would get him excommunicated.

#3

Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 1:30 pm
by The Cleric
Although the church should keep their collective noses out of politics. They can't expect to mess around in that arena and then retreat behind the cover of "But we're SPIRITUAL leaders!!" and get away with it.

#4

Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 2:47 pm
by Comrade Tortoise
Well, the thing is, Mugabe has been known to put his political opposition in the hospital, remove the constitutional rights of all white people, and rig elections. WHen he says "treat them like politicians" he doesnt mean remove their tax breaks. He means hiring a brute squad to beat a bunch of unarmed priests to within an inch of their lives.

He is basically raping his country. In situations like that, I can understand the churches being political, because they are members of the community and affected as much by him as anyone else.

They arent saying "Jesus tells me he needs to go" they are saying "He is a bad bad man and needs to go" which is an important distinction to make.

Also. It has ALWAYS been a bad idea to go after priests.

#5

Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:31 am
by Zeek Genateer
Ya, there are a LOT of Catholics in the world and if the church spins this right (I don't see how they'd fail at that) you possibly could have intervention by the UN. Otherwise all the priests in every church will get their members to throw money at the problem, until the total problem is solved, or just the priests stop getting beaten. I'm not a Catholic so I wouldn't know when that'd happen.